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But those would get the vaccine first, no?

by totony 6y ago

DanBC 6y ago
Maybe. Not everyone can get the vaccine. We don't know yet if the vaccine is 100% effective (although it does look very good).
- totony 6y ago
  >Not everyone can get the vaccine. But the proportion of people who are both at risk and can't get the vaccine (and alternatives) must be small (from intuitive maths, I actually haven't looked into this). Why would this vaccine be mandatory while plenty of other aren't? E.g. I've never got flu-tested before a concert/the flu shot, even though it could pass to other people/kill people. I'm wondering where's the line between freedom to one own's body and other people's well being. IMO it's not as clear-cut as people make it out to be.
  - estebank 6y ago
    From https://www.goodrx.com/blog/flu-vs-coronavirus-mortality-and-death-rates-by-year/ https://www.goodrx.com/blog/flu-vs-coronavirus-mortality-and... 2017-2018 Flu 2018-2019 Flu COVID-19 as of August 27, 2020 Cases 45 million 35 million 5 million Deaths 61,000 34,157 180,000+ Further reading on how the flu and COVID-19 differ: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-flu-season-2020-2021.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-flu-season-2020-2021.htm
    - totony 6y ago
      You're missing my point. These deaths will be insanely reduced once we get the vaccine out to the people that need it. I wasn't saying they are the same; i was saying they are similar in the way they are infectuous and we don't seem to be doing much for young people for most other diseases.
  - DanBC 6y ago
    You've mentioned "Low risk" a few times. You're right, the risk for young people is low. That doesn't mean no-risk though. There are plenty of examples of young people suffering harm because of covid. A TIA at 23 isn't a trivial thing. https://twitter.com/RileyBehrens/status/1333230792206553089?s=20 https://twitter.com/RileyBehrens/status/1333230792206553089?... At the moment we think covid is at least ten times more lethal than flu. If you're comparing numbers of people killed you need to make sure you're counting death the same way, and most people aren't doing that.
    - totony 6y ago
      It is possible, but from my understanding, a lot of diseases can have extreme cases. And even so, being free to take on that risk is what I'm refering in when I talk about one own's body.

But those would get the vaccine first, no?

by totony 6y ago

But those would get the vaccine first, no?

Maybe. Not everyone can get the vaccine. We don't know yet if the vaccine is 100% effective (although it does look very good).

totony 6y ago
>Not everyone can get the vaccine. But the proportion of people who are both at risk and can't get the vaccine (and alternatives) must be small (from intuitive maths, I actually haven't looked into this). Why would this vaccine be mandatory while plenty of other aren't? E.g. I've never got flu-tested before a concert/the flu shot, even though it could pass to other people/kill people. I'm wondering where's the line between freedom to one own's body and other people's well being. IMO it's not as clear-cut as people make it out to be.
- estebank 6y ago
  From https://www.goodrx.com/blog/flu-vs-coronavirus-mortality-and-death-rates-by-year/ https://www.goodrx.com/blog/flu-vs-coronavirus-mortality-and... 2017-2018 Flu 2018-2019 Flu COVID-19 as of August 27, 2020 Cases 45 million 35 million 5 million Deaths 61,000 34,157 180,000+ Further reading on how the flu and COVID-19 differ: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-flu-season-2020-2021.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-flu-season-2020-2021.htm
  - totony 6y ago
    You're missing my point. These deaths will be insanely reduced once we get the vaccine out to the people that need it. I wasn't saying they are the same; i was saying they are similar in the way they are infectuous and we don't seem to be doing much for young people for most other diseases.
- DanBC 6y ago
  You've mentioned "Low risk" a few times. You're right, the risk for young people is low. That doesn't mean no-risk though. There are plenty of examples of young people suffering harm because of covid. A TIA at 23 isn't a trivial thing. https://twitter.com/RileyBehrens/status/1333230792206553089?s=20 https://twitter.com/RileyBehrens/status/1333230792206553089?... At the moment we think covid is at least ten times more lethal than flu. If you're comparing numbers of people killed you need to make sure you're counting death the same way, and most people aren't doing that.
  - totony 6y ago
    It is possible, but from my understanding, a lot of diseases can have extreme cases. And even so, being free to take on that risk is what I'm refering in when I talk about one own's body.