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Unless I suck at reading comprehension, 27 some percent is still less than 100 percent. It gained some share but this just seems like a cheap, no substance arti

Unless I suck at reading comprehension, 27 some percent is still less than 100 percent. It gained some share but this just seems like a cheap, no substance article riding on the Apple choo choo going around HN recently.

maurovz 6y ago
It has the lead...
- bsagdiyev 6y ago
  That doesn’t make the article any less useless.
mgh2 6y ago
Maybe they meant 100% increase in market share
- bsagdiyev 6y ago
  Which makes sense, but it was worded in a way to whip up attention and those cherished internet points, I think.
samatman 6y ago
Pretty sure the point is that Apple is now the #1 desktop manufacturer in Japan, and they weren't before. I think that's a fair use of the word "overtake", I'd use something else for grabbing the entire market. "obliterate" maybe? I agree that it's kind of low in content and interest for HN, don't expect it to stay on the front page for long. I found it mildly interesting.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  > Pretty sure the point is that Apple is now the #1 desktop manufacturer in Japan, and they weren't before. Over a 2 week period. It's pretty rare to see market share over a 2 week period because product launches skew the hell out of these numbers.
- bee_rider 6y ago
  Overtake is when you go past something. Apple is moving faster than anybody else but hasn't caught up yet.
- vsareto 6y ago
  >I'd use something else for grabbing the entire market. "obliterate" maybe? "monopolize" works well
stu2b50 6y ago
Going from 14% to 27% in 2 weeks is a pretty extreme trend, especially in a market that's typically very slow moving, considering desktop upgrades occur at a far slower cadence than, say, mobile phones.
- mey 6y ago
  Pent up demand from stagnation on the desktop space for the last 5+ years?
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    This comment is mis-timed. Would have been true a few years ago, but Apple has a pretty solid line-up of desktops at the moment and has been keeping it somewhat fresh since the iMac Pro was launched. There is a huge hole right smack in the middle of their desktop lineup, but that's different from stagnation.
    - kllrnohj 6y ago
      iMacs are only an option if you want the monitor Apple happens to have paired with it, and that monitor addition isn't cheap, either. The Mini is still the only non-ridiculously priced "desktop" that Apple offers. But I think the OP was referring to the stagnation of the general desktop space, not Apple's lineup specifically. As in, there's almost no reason to upgrade your 2015 iMac to a 2020 iMac. It'll have nearly the same CPU performance and nearly the same day-to-day experience. See also all the PC gamers who have been holding on to Intel CPUs from half a decade ago because there was just no point to upgrading. A 5 year old 6700K is still basically competitive with a "modern" 10600K.
      - ogre_codes 6y ago
        > iMacs are only an option if you want the monitor Apple happens to have paired with it, and that monitor addition isn't cheap, either. The Mini is still the only non-ridiculously priced "desktop" that Apple offers. I agree! (well mostly) That's why I said Apple has a giant hole in the middle of their desktop lineup! For a machine that has a really good quality 5k display integrated, the iMac is a well priced system. If you don't want that 5k display, you fall into that giant hole I talked about. IMO the big problem with Apple's lineup for some time isn't the price on the things they sell, it's the fairly big holes in between those products. So you end up > But I think the OP was referring to the stagnation of the general desktop space Looking back, it does make sense that way. I expect this will shake things up a bit.
nicky0 6y ago
Ooh, the salt.
whoisjuan 6y ago
This sound like a solid milestone actually. 27% of market share (since launching). Apple is now the desktop sales leader in that particular market. Went from 15% to 27% share of sales(sold quantities in a given time). Which means Apple is selling a lot of M1 Mac Minis in Japan. > 27 some percent is still less than 100 percent Of course 100% of the desktop sales are not going to be Apple's. 27% of the desktop sales in a market like Japan sounds very impressive to me.
fastball 6y ago
It's an ambiguously worded sentence. What they mean is: if you take the entire Japanese desktop computer market (not some subset of it, like "low-power desktops", the "entire" desktop market), and you look at which individual computer manufacturer has the highest market share, Apple has just overtaken Lenovo Japan. How I might've worded it: Apple now has a marketshare plurality in the Japanese desktop computer market after the introduction of their M1 Mac Mini.
triangleman 6y ago
Overtakes, not takes over.
ogre_codes 6y ago
Did the content of this article change since you posted? Because I'm not seeing anything referring to 100% of anything.

maurovz 6y ago

It has the lead...

bsagdiyev 6y ago
That doesn’t make the article any less useless.

mgh2 6y ago

Maybe they meant 100% increase in market share

bsagdiyev 6y ago
Which makes sense, but it was worded in a way to whip up attention and those cherished internet points, I think.

samatman 6y ago

Pretty sure the point is that Apple is now the #1 desktop manufacturer in Japan, and they weren't before. I think that's a fair use of the word "overtake", I'd use something else for grabbing the entire market. "obliterate" maybe? I agree that it's kind of low in content and interest for HN, don't expect it to stay on the front page for long. I found it mildly interesting.

ogre_codes 6y ago
> Pretty sure the point is that Apple is now the #1 desktop manufacturer in Japan, and they weren't before. Over a 2 week period. It's pretty rare to see market share over a 2 week period because product launches skew the hell out of these numbers.
bee_rider 6y ago
Overtake is when you go past something. Apple is moving faster than anybody else but hasn't caught up yet.
vsareto 6y ago
>I'd use something else for grabbing the entire market. "obliterate" maybe? "monopolize" works well

stu2b50 6y ago

Going from 14% to 27% in 2 weeks is a pretty extreme trend, especially in a market that's typically very slow moving, considering desktop upgrades occur at a far slower cadence than, say, mobile phones.

mey 6y ago
Pent up demand from stagnation on the desktop space for the last 5+ years?
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  This comment is mis-timed. Would have been true a few years ago, but Apple has a pretty solid line-up of desktops at the moment and has been keeping it somewhat fresh since the iMac Pro was launched. There is a huge hole right smack in the middle of their desktop lineup, but that's different from stagnation.
  - kllrnohj 6y ago
    iMacs are only an option if you want the monitor Apple happens to have paired with it, and that monitor addition isn't cheap, either. The Mini is still the only non-ridiculously priced "desktop" that Apple offers. But I think the OP was referring to the stagnation of the general desktop space, not Apple's lineup specifically. As in, there's almost no reason to upgrade your 2015 iMac to a 2020 iMac. It'll have nearly the same CPU performance and nearly the same day-to-day experience. See also all the PC gamers who have been holding on to Intel CPUs from half a decade ago because there was just no point to upgrading. A 5 year old 6700K is still basically competitive with a "modern" 10600K.
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      > iMacs are only an option if you want the monitor Apple happens to have paired with it, and that monitor addition isn't cheap, either. The Mini is still the only non-ridiculously priced "desktop" that Apple offers. I agree! (well mostly) That's why I said Apple has a giant hole in the middle of their desktop lineup! For a machine that has a really good quality 5k display integrated, the iMac is a well priced system. If you don't want that 5k display, you fall into that giant hole I talked about. IMO the big problem with Apple's lineup for some time isn't the price on the things they sell, it's the fairly big holes in between those products. So you end up > But I think the OP was referring to the stagnation of the general desktop space Looking back, it does make sense that way. I expect this will shake things up a bit.

nicky0 6y ago

Ooh, the salt.

whoisjuan 6y ago

This sound like a solid milestone actually. 27% of market share (since launching). Apple is now the desktop sales leader in that particular market. Went from 15% to 27% share of sales(sold quantities in a given time). Which means Apple is selling a lot of M1 Mac Minis in Japan. > 27 some percent is still less than 100 percent Of course 100% of the desktop sales are not going to be Apple's. 27% of the desktop sales in a market like Japan sounds very impressive to me.

fastball 6y ago

It's an ambiguously worded sentence. What they mean is: if you take the entire Japanese desktop computer market (not some subset of it, like "low-power desktops", the "entire" desktop market), and you look at which individual computer manufacturer has the highest market share, Apple has just overtaken Lenovo Japan. How I might've worded it: Apple now has a marketshare plurality in the Japanese desktop computer market after the introduction of their M1 Mac Mini.

triangleman 6y ago

Overtakes, not takes over.

ogre_codes 6y ago

Did the content of this article change since you posted? Because I'm not seeing anything referring to 100% of anything.