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Do you have sources for these statements?

loc7790 15y ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Noam_Chomsky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Noam_Chomsky http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chomsky/thirdworldfascism.html http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chomsky/thirdworldfascism.html
- dabeeeenster 15y ago
  Thanks, but I see no mention of Hue in either of those pages?
  - loc7790 15y ago
    "On the massacre at Hue, Chomsky and Herman quote from a captured document in which the Viet Cong boast of having 'eliminated' thousands of people, but they dismiss the evidence because 'nowhere in the document is it claimed or even suggested that any civilians had been executed'." http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chomsky/thirdworldfascism.html http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chomsky/thirdworldfascism.html
lionhearted 15y ago
It's been discussed before on HN, here's last time - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1775881 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1775881 "Space limitations preclude a comprehensive review, but such journals as the Far Eastern Economic Review, the London Economist, the Melbourne Journal of Politics, and others elsewhere, have provided analyses by highly qualified specialists who have studied the full range of evidence available, and who concluded that executions have numbered at most in the thousands; that these were localized in areas of limited Khmer Rouge influence and unusual peasant discontent, where brutal revenge killings were aggravated by the threat of starvation resulting from the American destruction and killing." - Noah Chomsky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Noam_Chomsky#Position_on_Cambodian_atrocities_criticized http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Noam_Chomsky#Posit... And: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1775946 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1775946 > I think you're exaggerating the point to some degree by saying "there's no concentration camps in Cambodia", but I think you're generally right. "...that these were localized in areas of limited Khmer Rouge influence and unusual peasant discontent, where brutal revenge killings were aggravated by the threat of starvation resulting from the American destruction and killing" He says they were: 1. In areas not under the control of the Khmer Rouge (false) 2. Manages to somehow blame the United States for the few killings he does admit happened. A lot of people don't realize that if the United States and South Vietnamese had won the war, the massacres in Cambodia don't happen. Cambodia would've been next. American Withdrawl: 15 May 1975 Fall of Saigon: 30 April 1975 Khmer Rouge Genocide: 1975 to 1979 Wikipedia: "The Killing Fields were a number of sites in Cambodia where large numbers of people were killed and buried by the Khmer Rouge regime, during its rule of the country from 1975 to 1979, immediately after the end of the Vietnam War." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Fields http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Fields (emphasis mine) That wouldn't have happened with a stable joint American/South Vietnamese presence next door. Couldn't have happened, the USA wouldn't have allowed massacre on that scale the way the communist powers did. At the risk of getting into political territory, I think people like Noah Chomsky and Jane Fonda have a lot more blood on their hands than any of the military commanders they like to criticize.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Noam_Chomsky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Noam_Chomsky http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chomsky/thirdworldfascism.html http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chomsky/thirdworldfascism.html

dabeeeenster 15y ago
Thanks, but I see no mention of Hue in either of those pages?
- loc7790 15y ago
  "On the massacre at Hue, Chomsky and Herman quote from a captured document in which the Viet Cong boast of having 'eliminated' thousands of people, but they dismiss the evidence because 'nowhere in the document is it claimed or even suggested that any civilians had been executed'." http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chomsky/thirdworldfascism.html http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chomsky/thirdworldfascism.html

lionhearted 15y ago

It's been discussed before on HN, here's last time - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1775881 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1775881 "Space limitations preclude a comprehensive review, but such journals as the Far Eastern Economic Review, the London Economist, the Melbourne Journal of Politics, and others elsewhere, have provided analyses by highly qualified specialists who have studied the full range of evidence available, and who concluded that executions have numbered at most in the thousands; that these were localized in areas of limited Khmer Rouge influence and unusual peasant discontent, where brutal revenge killings were aggravated by the threat of starvation resulting from the American destruction and killing." - Noah Chomsky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Noam_Chomsky#Position_on_Cambodian_atrocities_criticized http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Noam_Chomsky#Posit... And: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1775946 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1775946 > I think you're exaggerating the point to some degree by saying "there's no concentration camps in Cambodia", but I think you're generally right. "...that these were localized in areas of limited Khmer Rouge influence and unusual peasant discontent, where brutal revenge killings were aggravated by the threat of starvation resulting from the American destruction and killing" He says they were: 1. In areas not under the control of the Khmer Rouge (false) 2. Manages to somehow blame the United States for the few killings he does admit happened. A lot of people don't realize that if the United States and South Vietnamese had won the war, the massacres in Cambodia don't happen. Cambodia would've been next. American Withdrawl: 15 May 1975 Fall of Saigon: 30 April 1975 Khmer Rouge Genocide: 1975 to 1979 Wikipedia: "The Killing Fields were a number of sites in Cambodia where large numbers of people were killed and buried by the Khmer Rouge regime, during its rule of the country from 1975 to 1979, immediately after the end of the Vietnam War." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Fields http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Fields (emphasis mine) That wouldn't have happened with a stable joint American/South Vietnamese presence next door. Couldn't have happened, the USA wouldn't have allowed massacre on that scale the way the communist powers did. At the risk of getting into political territory, I think people like Noah Chomsky and Jane Fonda have a lot more blood on their hands than any of the military commanders they like to criticize.