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>> What stopped people from having someone else do their take home tests before the pandemic? Nothing except these tests were not take home prior to COVID. >>

>> What stopped people from having someone else do their take home tests before the pandemic? Nothing except these tests were not take home prior to COVID. >> On a more constructive note, it seems pretty simple to require some portion of responses to reference the lectures such that only someone who attended the class in this semester would be able to correctly answer, for example "use the method we discussed in the first half of lecture 3, use the third of the four numbers I told you to write down that day as variable y, if you weren't in class that day instead do X" If a test comes back and someone claims to not remember the material from any classes but still got everything right, that warrants scrutiny. If someone currently enrolled in the class is helping a person cheat, you can use standard anti-cheating techniques like comparing answers. So you are expecting the student to remember 100% of what they heard in the online classes? Or more likely the student would write down these details and handle it to the cheater to use during the take home exam. Or the cheater would "do X". In most cases the one doing the helping is not a current student, so it doesn't help. I've passed college classes not attending any classes. Doing assignments, exams, and mid-terms. So would I be penalized for not attending classes?

jjk166 6y ago
> Nothing except these tests were not take home prior to COVID. Take home tests were definitely a thing before covid. > So you are expecting the student to remember 100% of what they heard in the online classes? Or more likely the student would write down these details and handle it to the cheater to use during the take home exam. Or the cheater would "do X". In most cases the one doing the helping is not a current student, so it doesn't help. I expect students to take notes for their open book exams. If you're competent enough to identify all the material needed for the cheater to do an open book test, congratulations you have the knowledge to pass the test. If you just record every piece of information possible, congratulations you have spent way more time and effort than it would have taken to just learn the material. If you don't attend any classes, do X. You're not being penalized for doing that, it just warrants scrutiny. If this is an entry level course that an intelligent person could teach themselves the material, then it probably doesn't matter if you cheated or not, you'll be found out in higher level courses. If this is a high level course, your department would probably have a good idea of how capable you are from past performance. If the guy struggling to get a C in introductory physics gets a perfect score on his quantum final without going to class once, that is super suspicious.
- vanviegen 6y ago
  > Take home tests were definitely a thing before covid. Yes, and they work pretty well for some subjects. But not for others. > ... that is super suspicious. But suspicion is not enough to take disciplinary measures. In many cases, there really is no solution that is privacy-preserving, anti-cheating, covid-safe and affordable.

jjk166 6y ago

> Nothing except these tests were not take home prior to COVID. Take home tests were definitely a thing before covid. > So you are expecting the student to remember 100% of what they heard in the online classes? Or more likely the student would write down these details and handle it to the cheater to use during the take home exam. Or the cheater would "do X". In most cases the one doing the helping is not a current student, so it doesn't help. I expect students to take notes for their open book exams. If you're competent enough to identify all the material needed for the cheater to do an open book test, congratulations you have the knowledge to pass the test. If you just record every piece of information possible, congratulations you have spent way more time and effort than it would have taken to just learn the material. If you don't attend any classes, do X. You're not being penalized for doing that, it just warrants scrutiny. If this is an entry level course that an intelligent person could teach themselves the material, then it probably doesn't matter if you cheated or not, you'll be found out in higher level courses. If this is a high level course, your department would probably have a good idea of how capable you are from past performance. If the guy struggling to get a C in introductory physics gets a perfect score on his quantum final without going to class once, that is super suspicious.

vanviegen 6y ago
> Take home tests were definitely a thing before covid. Yes, and they work pretty well for some subjects. But not for others. > ... that is super suspicious. But suspicion is not enough to take disciplinary measures. In many cases, there really is no solution that is privacy-preserving, anti-cheating, covid-safe and affordable.