5 ms·
> Tbh it’s kind of weird to me that Apple didn’t sponsor the work needed for this, and would ensure that it happened sooner. They could donate something, but w
by monkin 6y ago
> Tbh it’s kind of weird to me that Apple didn’t sponsor the work needed for this, and would ensure that it happened sooner.
They could donate something, but why should they? It’s community project not run by Apple. We, users, who actively use it to make professional work, should be responsible for supporting community projects like that. :)
- Smaug123 6y agoI kind of disagree. For the same reason that shops provide free parking, it would make sense for Apple to put effort into the de-facto package manager for macOS.
- monkin 6y agoThe parking analogy is missed, as they provide you macOS for free, and many other apps. What you will do with them is up to you. And, don’t forget about MacPorts, which is more “core Apple philosophy” than Homebrew.
- Smaug123 6y agoI don't assert entitlement to it. It's just that my next laptop will not be a Mac because of a collection of reasons all in this ballpark.
- saurik 6y agoThey don't "provide macOS for free" any more than they provided the T key on your mac keyboard for free: their software is only designed to run on their hardware (for which they also attempt legal restrictions to prevent you using it elsewhere in addition to cryptographic DRM techniques) and they really only want you running their software in their hardware (which they already go to lengths to enforce on iOS and which they increasingly are pushing onto macs)... the software may as well be firmware (and in fact that is what Apple calls it on iOS) and is part of the vertically integrated product they sold you; so being annoyed about this is at least as legitimate about being annoyed that they didn't implement well any other feature of this laptop you are paying over a thousand dollars for (and, as stated by the person you are responding to, not just in their response to you but also in the post you responded to, the response is to just take their money elsewhere, which is _great_).
- rimliu 6y agoPretty much every shopper will use parking. Get out of the HN bubble and none of Apple users will know Homebrew.
- tannhaeuser 6y agoAFAIK, Apple does or did sponsor MacPorts and uses or used it internally; but maybe I'm wrong. Apple should have a vested interest in developers on their platform and thus ports of popular F/OSS; but obviously, developers, graphic artists, music and other content producers aren't as significant a customer group relative to consumers as they used to be. I wonder how the decline of the Mac platform for professional work hits Apple's baseline assuming the historical draw of content creators to the platform also brought consumers and has been used by Apple in advertising, but I guess Apple knows better and simply makes so much more money with iDevices.
- saagarjha 6y agoApple sponsored much of the original work on MacPorts, but these days it's run as an independent project of which a handful of maintainers are still from Apple. The first patches for Apple silicon came from Apple engineers, FWIW.
- Wowfunhappy 6y agoI was surprised that you said up-thread they use Homebrew internally, though? Do they use both? Did they switch at some point?
- saagarjha 6y agoApple's a large company, and like many large companies different people use different things ;) Since teams are largely autonomous with regards for tooling, I am sure that the choice of Homebrew or MacPorts for dependency management comes down to the choice of one engineer from the early stages of a project. For teams that use neither themselves developers are free to choose either for their machines. I would assume that new hires mostly pick Homebrew to use when given the choice.
- rsynnott 6y agoI'd assume any sufficiently large and old MacOS shop uses some combination; I don't see why Apple themselves would be any different.
- pwinnski 6y agoApparently they did donate things, according to the brew team on this very post.