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Whenever I use the CLI on a mac, I am frustrated by the absense of all the GNU extensions that aren't there when I use the core utilities, and that the version

by thayne 6y ago

Whenever I use the CLI on a mac, I am frustrated by the absense of all the GNU extensions that aren't there when I use the core utilities, and that the version of bash is ancient. I mean I still prefer it over windows, but it is not the same experience as linux.

Eric_WVGG 6y ago
I’m not well-versed enough to know how well it measures up, but Mac switched to ZSH as default shell about a year ago.
- zimpenfish 6y ago
  I think zsh might well be more powerful than bash but it's extremely opinionated about how it does stuff (unless you want to go down a configuration rabbit hole) - for me, coming off 20+ years of bash muscle memory, it was unusable and I switched back.
IntelMiner 6y ago
The last time I used a Mac I remember the absolute headfuck that was all the different ways to make it "more unixy" "Oh just use Macports!" "No macports is trash, use Homebrew!" "Homebrew sucks, use Gentoo/kMacOSX!" Of course none of them were particularly interoperable at the time and all had extremely arcane invocations and setups. It was very lipstick on a pig
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  I haven't used homebrew but I use macports all the time without any issues. shrug
- thiht 6y ago
  I'm very happy with Homebrew. I find the model way easier than Linux packages.
- aldanor 6y ago
  Not much more of a headfuck than the flavours of Linux distros and their package managers and guis. "More unixy" is also a bad pun, there's nothing more unixy about it, just a package manager - pick one and use it. Been using homebrew without much of a problem almost for a decade.
pjmlp 6y ago
It is the same experience as UNIX though, including the fact that each flavour has its own way of doing stuff.
herpderperator 6y ago
This is really a non-issue and easy to get around. You can easily install the GNU utilities which take precedence in your PATH. I installed them all with Homebrew in a few minutes, including bash5. You can follow this guide[0] as a start. [0] https://gist.github.com/skyzyx/3438280b18e4f7c490db8a2a2ca0b9da https://gist.github.com/skyzyx/3438280b18e4f7c490db8a2a2ca0b...
- dreamer_ 6y ago
  It is an issue if I need to rewrite my scripts specifically for macOS and they are no longer cross-platform. Yeah, you can alias all utilities called g<something> to <something>, but you can't reasonably expect all users of your scripts to do so as well. Using macOS is PITA.
  - user-the-name 6y ago
    If you're using GNU extensions, then you are not writing cross-platform scripts in the first place.

by thayne 6y ago

Eric_WVGG 6y ago

I’m not well-versed enough to know how well it measures up, but Mac switched to ZSH as default shell about a year ago.

zimpenfish 6y ago
I think zsh might well be more powerful than bash but it's extremely opinionated about how it does stuff (unless you want to go down a configuration rabbit hole) - for me, coming off 20+ years of bash muscle memory, it was unusable and I switched back.

IntelMiner 6y ago

The last time I used a Mac I remember the absolute headfuck that was all the different ways to make it "more unixy" "Oh just use Macports!" "No macports is trash, use Homebrew!" "Homebrew sucks, use Gentoo/kMacOSX!" Of course none of them were particularly interoperable at the time and all had extremely arcane invocations and setups. It was very lipstick on a pig

stjohnswarts 6y ago
I haven't used homebrew but I use macports all the time without any issues. shrug
thiht 6y ago
I'm very happy with Homebrew. I find the model way easier than Linux packages.
aldanor 6y ago
Not much more of a headfuck than the flavours of Linux distros and their package managers and guis. "More unixy" is also a bad pun, there's nothing more unixy about it, just a package manager - pick one and use it. Been using homebrew without much of a problem almost for a decade.

pjmlp 6y ago

It is the same experience as UNIX though, including the fact that each flavour has its own way of doing stuff.

herpderperator 6y ago

This is really a non-issue and easy to get around. You can easily install the GNU utilities which take precedence in your PATH. I installed them all with Homebrew in a few minutes, including bash5. You can follow this guide[0] as a start. [0] https://gist.github.com/skyzyx/3438280b18e4f7c490db8a2a2ca0b9da https://gist.github.com/skyzyx/3438280b18e4f7c490db8a2a2ca0b...

dreamer_ 6y ago
It is an issue if I need to rewrite my scripts specifically for macOS and they are no longer cross-platform. Yeah, you can alias all utilities called g<something> to <something>, but you can't reasonably expect all users of your scripts to do so as well. Using macOS is PITA.
- user-the-name 6y ago
  If you're using GNU extensions, then you are not writing cross-platform scripts in the first place.