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The development methodology has nothing to do with whether something is FOSS or not. If you're complaining that you want to see daily updates, that's a complet

The development methodology has nothing to do with whether something is FOSS or not. If you're complaining that you want to see daily updates, that's a completely different thing than claiming it's not FOSS (as OP did).

lmm 6y ago
FOSS means being able to develop it the same way they do. That ought to mean being able to see to VCS history, bug trackers and so on - their own developers would use those things when developing.
- robin_reala 6y ago
  It really doesn’t mean that. Neither Stallman’s four freedoms[1] nor Peren’s Open Source Definition[2] have anything to say about code history, bug trackers, development standards etc etc, and they’re the only commonly accepted definitions for what free and open source software is. [1] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html.en https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html.en [2] https://opensource.org/docs/osd https://opensource.org/docs/osd
  - lmm 6y ago
    > The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. > In order for freedoms 1 and 3 (the freedom to make changes and the freedom to publish the changed versions) to be meaningful, you need to have access to the source code of the program. Therefore, accessibility of source code is a necessary condition for free software. Obfuscated “source code” is not real source code and does not count as source code. IMO exactly the same logic applies to code history and bug trackers: you need access to those things to be able to study how the program works. A code dump is much the same thing as obfuscated source code: you can build the program from it, but you can't understand the program from it.
    - spacedcowboy 6y ago
      Right, but, like, that’s just your opinion man. FOSS means you get the source code, everything else is gravy.
      - lmm 6y ago
        Source "in the preferred form for making modifications". IMO that means a VCS checkout rather than a code dump.
        spacedcowboy 6y ago
        A code dump is nothing remotely like obfuscated source code. They run competitions for obfuscated source code, take a look and compare. Seriously, at this point I think you have to be just defending a position that you know is wrong but since you originally stated it, you’re not backing down. If not then let’s just agree to disagree...

lmm 6y ago

FOSS means being able to develop it the same way they do. That ought to mean being able to see to VCS history, bug trackers and so on - their own developers would use those things when developing.

robin_reala 6y ago
It really doesn’t mean that. Neither Stallman’s four freedoms[1] nor Peren’s Open Source Definition[2] have anything to say about code history, bug trackers, development standards etc etc, and they’re the only commonly accepted definitions for what free and open source software is. [1] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html.en https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html.en [2] https://opensource.org/docs/osd https://opensource.org/docs/osd
- lmm 6y ago
  > The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. > In order for freedoms 1 and 3 (the freedom to make changes and the freedom to publish the changed versions) to be meaningful, you need to have access to the source code of the program. Therefore, accessibility of source code is a necessary condition for free software. Obfuscated “source code” is not real source code and does not count as source code. IMO exactly the same logic applies to code history and bug trackers: you need access to those things to be able to study how the program works. A code dump is much the same thing as obfuscated source code: you can build the program from it, but you can't understand the program from it.
  - spacedcowboy 6y ago
    Right, but, like, that’s just your opinion man. FOSS means you get the source code, everything else is gravy.
    - lmm 6y ago
      Source "in the preferred form for making modifications". IMO that means a VCS checkout rather than a code dump.
      - spacedcowboy 6y ago
        A code dump is nothing remotely like obfuscated source code. They run competitions for obfuscated source code, take a look and compare. Seriously, at this point I think you have to be just defending a position that you know is wrong but since you originally stated it, you’re not backing down. If not then let’s just agree to disagree...