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This might vary between countries. Chiropractors here have a protected title (like doctors, lawyers), and a 5 year regulated training that isn’t exactly homeopa

This might vary between countries. Chiropractors here have a protected title (like doctors, lawyers), and a 5 year regulated training that isn’t exactly homeopathy. I rarely notice any difference between the surgeon general-approved naprapathy practitioners, and chiropractors. They do mostly similar treatment and charge similar money for it. I have never seen any new-agy or pseudoscience-like stuff come up in treatments. They just snap my spine into place and some times rough up a muscle just to prevent it snapping back out of location again. I too have heard people say it’s pseudoscience and humbug (usually e.g in the US) but could this vary? What are the pseudoscience parts? Could loose regulation in some countries have led to it becoming a market for pseudoscience whereas in other places it hasn’t?

TulliusCicero 6y ago
> What are the pseudoscience parts? Honestly, "They just snap my spine into place and some times rough up a muscle just to prevent it snapping back out of location again." sounds pretty suspicious to me. What does "snap my spine into place" mean, exactly? Were you literally paralyzed or handicapped in some way until they did this thing? Muscles "snapping out of location"? How does that work?
- alkonaut 6y ago
  I just mean the extremely common condition when you have one or more thoracic vertebra that ”feels” out of place (As I understand it, it’s not -it’s just a muscular thing). Typically due to stiff muscles surrounding it. Muscles aren’t out of location. Muscles are tense near the spine, causing pain and stiffness. The area is easily seen/felt with a finger on the spine near where the issue is. Apart from pain it can give a sensation of tension or a feeling you can’t take deep breaths. The diy fix is having someone lift you from behind as you exhale (a snap-crackle-pop sound will be heard), or rolling with your back on a foam cylinder. I thought almost everyone, at least those with desk jobs and not enough excercise had this issue occasionally. I go to either a chiro or a naprapathy person to sort it. And as I said they do the same thing or very similar. The same authority that certifies doctors certifies these people, so it’s literally under the surgeon general’s oversight. Which is why I think they basically have to practice something very similar to naprapathy, and can’t make claims to treat anything but the areas actually treated. Basically back muscles.
astura 6y ago
Chiropractors are 100% quackery with zero basis in reality. The entire field was based entirely on the idea that all diseases were caused by lesions of the nervous system (called subluxations) therefore all diseases could be cured by manipulation of the spine. https://quackwatch.org/related/chiro/ https://quackwatch.org/related/chiro/ https://quackwatch.org/chiropractic/general/ https://quackwatch.org/chiropractic/general/ https://quackwatch.org/related/chirovisit/ https://quackwatch.org/related/chirovisit/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_controversy_and_criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_controversy_and_c... No idea why you think your spine needs to be "snapped into place."
- bserge 6y ago
  So, it looks like it's just massage... maybe 99% quackery, because a good massage does wonders :D
lotsofpulp 6y ago
The origins of it was outlandish claims with no data to back it up, so it doesn’t seem to have anything to do with regulation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic Back pain related therapy in general is filled with “qualified” people ready to dole out “treatments” in exchange for money, including MD surgeons who do back surgery. The problem is succinctly explained in this clip, starting at 2min: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyugCJ40IIw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyugCJ40IIw As the video says, we’re using a clothesline as a flagpole. Other than squats, deadlifts, and core workouts, keeping your weight low, and avoiding work that stresses the back, I doubt there’s real solution, and even those are probably just pushing the back pain into the future. It’s probably inevitable as you get older.
lazyasciiart 6y ago
In America chiropractors claim to treat diabetes, etc. It was invented by a guy who practiced healing with magnets and said that a ghost taught him about spinal adjustments - it has always been pseudoscientific nonsense. There may well be places that have extracted only the meaningful parts, but I’d be skeptical.
- astura 6y ago
  In fact, historically Chiropractors were strongly opposed to vaccination because they believed that all diseases were caused by lesions of the nervous system (subluxations), so vaccines couldn't possibly work to prevent disease. https://www.jmptonline.org/article/S0161-4754(05)00111-9/fulltext https://www.jmptonline.org/article/S0161-4754(05)00111-9/ful...

TulliusCicero 6y ago

> What are the pseudoscience parts? Honestly, "They just snap my spine into place and some times rough up a muscle just to prevent it snapping back out of location again." sounds pretty suspicious to me. What does "snap my spine into place" mean, exactly? Were you literally paralyzed or handicapped in some way until they did this thing? Muscles "snapping out of location"? How does that work?

alkonaut 6y ago
I just mean the extremely common condition when you have one or more thoracic vertebra that ”feels” out of place (As I understand it, it’s not -it’s just a muscular thing). Typically due to stiff muscles surrounding it. Muscles aren’t out of location. Muscles are tense near the spine, causing pain and stiffness. The area is easily seen/felt with a finger on the spine near where the issue is. Apart from pain it can give a sensation of tension or a feeling you can’t take deep breaths. The diy fix is having someone lift you from behind as you exhale (a snap-crackle-pop sound will be heard), or rolling with your back on a foam cylinder. I thought almost everyone, at least those with desk jobs and not enough excercise had this issue occasionally. I go to either a chiro or a naprapathy person to sort it. And as I said they do the same thing or very similar. The same authority that certifies doctors certifies these people, so it’s literally under the surgeon general’s oversight. Which is why I think they basically have to practice something very similar to naprapathy, and can’t make claims to treat anything but the areas actually treated. Basically back muscles.

astura 6y ago

Chiropractors are 100% quackery with zero basis in reality. The entire field was based entirely on the idea that all diseases were caused by lesions of the nervous system (called subluxations) therefore all diseases could be cured by manipulation of the spine. https://quackwatch.org/related/chiro/ https://quackwatch.org/related/chiro/ https://quackwatch.org/chiropractic/general/ https://quackwatch.org/chiropractic/general/ https://quackwatch.org/related/chirovisit/ https://quackwatch.org/related/chirovisit/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_controversy_and_criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_controversy_and_c... No idea why you think your spine needs to be "snapped into place."

bserge 6y ago
So, it looks like it's just massage... maybe 99% quackery, because a good massage does wonders :D

lotsofpulp 6y ago

The origins of it was outlandish claims with no data to back it up, so it doesn’t seem to have anything to do with regulation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic Back pain related therapy in general is filled with “qualified” people ready to dole out “treatments” in exchange for money, including MD surgeons who do back surgery. The problem is succinctly explained in this clip, starting at 2min: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyugCJ40IIw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyugCJ40IIw As the video says, we’re using a clothesline as a flagpole. Other than squats, deadlifts, and core workouts, keeping your weight low, and avoiding work that stresses the back, I doubt there’s real solution, and even those are probably just pushing the back pain into the future. It’s probably inevitable as you get older.

lazyasciiart 6y ago

In America chiropractors claim to treat diabetes, etc. It was invented by a guy who practiced healing with magnets and said that a ghost taught him about spinal adjustments - it has always been pseudoscientific nonsense. There may well be places that have extracted only the meaningful parts, but I’d be skeptical.

astura 6y ago
In fact, historically Chiropractors were strongly opposed to vaccination because they believed that all diseases were caused by lesions of the nervous system (subluxations), so vaccines couldn't possibly work to prevent disease. https://www.jmptonline.org/article/S0161-4754(05)00111-9/fulltext https://www.jmptonline.org/article/S0161-4754(05)00111-9/ful...