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"here’s the secret to success in just two words: Ship it" "After you finish the first 90% of a project, you have to finish the other 90%." I feel like this c

"here’s the secret to success in just two words: Ship it" "After you finish the first 90% of a project, you have to finish the other 90%." I feel like this conflict is reconciled today by releasing the first 90% and the second 90% as updates. Notably, QTest was released on February 24, 1996, followed on June 22, 1996 by the full Quake release.

lostgame 6y ago
>> I feel like this conflict is reconciled today by releasing the first 90% and the second 90% as updates. Damn, I feel like you just described everything wrong with the game industry in the last 5-10(?) years in one sentence.
- goldcd 6y ago
  But the flip-side is we're all used to receiving automatic and continuous bug-fixes and even enhancements. Even the maligned Day-0 mega-patch, is fine if it lets the game master ship earlier and fixes the bugs before I can play it.
  - will_pseudonym 6y ago
    In the short term, yes it's a good thing that automatic bug fixes and enhancements happen. But in the long term it incentivizes shipping unfinished, buggy products. It may be a net positive, but it is not an unalloyed benefit.
- mysterydip 6y ago
  I think this is why we see so many "early access" games, and why so many of them never leave that stage
- kace91 6y ago
  > Damn, I feel like you just described everything wrong with the game industry in the last 5-10(?) years in one sentence. Which makes sense because it's how much we've been online first. Games before that era usually worked under the assumption that an internet connection (or at least a higher bandwidth one) wasn't available. Nowadays there's barely any reason to stop development after the GM is being burned on disks. I do wonder what's gonna happen with long term use though. My game boy cartridges still work, but what will happen with current gen games? Even those bought phisically usually depend on patches from a server that won't be available in the long term future.
  - SirYandi 6y ago
    This is why I feel GOG (DRM free game install files) is so important for PC gaming. I'm not sure what the solution is for consoles though.

lostgame 6y ago

>> I feel like this conflict is reconciled today by releasing the first 90% and the second 90% as updates. Damn, I feel like you just described everything wrong with the game industry in the last 5-10(?) years in one sentence.

goldcd 6y ago
But the flip-side is we're all used to receiving automatic and continuous bug-fixes and even enhancements. Even the maligned Day-0 mega-patch, is fine if it lets the game master ship earlier and fixes the bugs before I can play it.
- will_pseudonym 6y ago
  In the short term, yes it's a good thing that automatic bug fixes and enhancements happen. But in the long term it incentivizes shipping unfinished, buggy products. It may be a net positive, but it is not an unalloyed benefit.
mysterydip 6y ago
I think this is why we see so many "early access" games, and why so many of them never leave that stage
kace91 6y ago
> Damn, I feel like you just described everything wrong with the game industry in the last 5-10(?) years in one sentence. Which makes sense because it's how much we've been online first. Games before that era usually worked under the assumption that an internet connection (or at least a higher bandwidth one) wasn't available. Nowadays there's barely any reason to stop development after the GM is being burned on disks. I do wonder what's gonna happen with long term use though. My game boy cartridges still work, but what will happen with current gen games? Even those bought phisically usually depend on patches from a server that won't be available in the long term future.
- SirYandi 6y ago
  This is why I feel GOG (DRM free game install files) is so important for PC gaming. I'm not sure what the solution is for consoles though.