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IMO it's not an unreasonable notion to have. I don't think its out of the question that they would change course and lock it down. I'm not saying it's likely or

by melq 6y ago

IMO it's not an unreasonable notion to have. I don't think its out of the question that they would change course and lock it down. I'm not saying it's likely or probable, but I don't think it's an unreasonable concern. In any event, it annoys me that the parent commentator is being dismissed out of hand and downvoted for expressing a legitimate concern.

macintux 6y ago
It's a tired, un-nuanced concern that doesn't indicate any understanding of why Apple favors lock-in. It's like an online political debate: it's possible to persuade someone, maybe, but you need a better argument than mean old Apple wants to take our toys away.
- orangecat 6y ago
  It's a tired, un-nuanced concern that doesn't indicate any understanding of why Apple favors lock-in. Well, why do you think that is? As far as I can tell it's some combination of protecting users and protecting app store revenue, both of which apply equally well to macOS as iOS. The only difference is that the Mac app store isn't as established so they can't force everything to go through it today.
- melq 6y ago
  I think you're probably right in that this discussion isn't changing anyone's opinion. That said, I don't know how it could be tired, as these laptops were just released. I also don't know what you mean by 'un-nuanced', but I don't see how understanding why they favor lock in is relevant. He's not talking about the merits of a closed ecosystem or locking things down, just about whether or not they might lock things down further in the future. I think most people understand the motivation behind Apple trying to control every aspect of their products, whether or not they think it's a good practice.
- shmerl 6y ago
  I'd say it's not tired and is completely legit. Apple have no one to blame but themselves for having such reputation. They simply didn't do enough to earn trust, while did a ton to earn distrust.

by melq 6y ago

macintux 6y ago

It's a tired, un-nuanced concern that doesn't indicate any understanding of why Apple favors lock-in. It's like an online political debate: it's possible to persuade someone, maybe, but you need a better argument than mean old Apple wants to take our toys away.

orangecat 6y ago
It's a tired, un-nuanced concern that doesn't indicate any understanding of why Apple favors lock-in. Well, why do you think that is? As far as I can tell it's some combination of protecting users and protecting app store revenue, both of which apply equally well to macOS as iOS. The only difference is that the Mac app store isn't as established so they can't force everything to go through it today.
melq 6y ago
I think you're probably right in that this discussion isn't changing anyone's opinion. That said, I don't know how it could be tired, as these laptops were just released. I also don't know what you mean by 'un-nuanced', but I don't see how understanding why they favor lock in is relevant. He's not talking about the merits of a closed ecosystem or locking things down, just about whether or not they might lock things down further in the future. I think most people understand the motivation behind Apple trying to control every aspect of their products, whether or not they think it's a good practice.
shmerl 6y ago
I'd say it's not tired and is completely legit. Apple have no one to blame but themselves for having such reputation. They simply didn't do enough to earn trust, while did a ton to earn distrust.