> More importantly, the database exists without the application. This. I'm continually amazed how many people think they will only ever have one application ta

> More importantly, the database exists without the application. This. I'm continually amazed how many people think they will only ever have one application talking to their database. Unless your project promptly crashes and burns, you're going to find yourself using tools in different languages, and it's going to be incredibly painful not to have invested in competent data modelling that avoids relying on some specific ORM.