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> you believe nothing is a fact No, but I do believe that “fact-checkers” get it wrong often enough to be skeptical about what they say is.

mhh__ 6y ago
Any citations for that one? Everytime I see a fact checker called biased for one way or the other, not only is it usually salty people of the opposing views usually saying it, it always seems like tittle-tattle rather than actual systemic bias.
- nitrogen 6y ago
  One that recently really bothered me was a black box on YouTube videos that mentioned anything about the US election. The black box said that "the AP has called the election" -- the Associated Press is not responsible for determining who governs the US. Also, for what it's worth, it was a math video I was watching.
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    > The black box said that "the AP has called the election" -- the Associated Press is not responsible for determining who governs the US. You don't seem to understand that this is how US elections are always called? The press calls the state when they estimate it's impossible for it to go any other way, and then the electors vote a while later.
    - nitrogen 6y ago
      It's the presentation of a single non-governmental, potentially biased organization, the AP, as the authoritative figure, to which I object. The black box message didn't mention electors or counts at all, only that "the AP has called" it.
      - alphabettsy 6y ago
        Whether or not the election is called is the only thing that mattered the week of the election since there was/is no finalization until the electoral college votes. I don’t understand why there’s any handwaving about this part other than the sudden encouragement by certain political actors that never had a problem with it before.
        nitrogen 6y ago
        Oh, that's fine, it's that a specific commercial organization was presented as the deciding authority that is the problem. That won't help convince anyone whose fundamental disagreement is a distrust in traditional media's authority figures. Google/YT could have put anything in that message, and they got the delivery all wrong.
        alphabettsy 6y ago
        If the problem is fundamental distrust then what difference does it make if it’s the AP? The message isn’t for the people who choose to be misinformed, it’s for those that could be unwittingly.

mhh__ 6y ago

Any citations for that one? Everytime I see a fact checker called biased for one way or the other, not only is it usually salty people of the opposing views usually saying it, it always seems like tittle-tattle rather than actual systemic bias.

nitrogen 6y ago
One that recently really bothered me was a black box on YouTube videos that mentioned anything about the US election. The black box said that "the AP has called the election" -- the Associated Press is not responsible for determining who governs the US. Also, for what it's worth, it was a math video I was watching.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  > The black box said that "the AP has called the election" -- the Associated Press is not responsible for determining who governs the US. You don't seem to understand that this is how US elections are always called? The press calls the state when they estimate it's impossible for it to go any other way, and then the electors vote a while later.
  - nitrogen 6y ago
    It's the presentation of a single non-governmental, potentially biased organization, the AP, as the authoritative figure, to which I object. The black box message didn't mention electors or counts at all, only that "the AP has called" it.
    - alphabettsy 6y ago
      Whether or not the election is called is the only thing that mattered the week of the election since there was/is no finalization until the electoral college votes. I don’t understand why there’s any handwaving about this part other than the sudden encouragement by certain political actors that never had a problem with it before.
      - nitrogen 6y ago
        Oh, that's fine, it's that a specific commercial organization was presented as the deciding authority that is the problem. That won't help convince anyone whose fundamental disagreement is a distrust in traditional media's authority figures. Google/YT could have put anything in that message, and they got the delivery all wrong.
        alphabettsy 6y ago
        If the problem is fundamental distrust then what difference does it make if it’s the AP? The message isn’t for the people who choose to be misinformed, it’s for those that could be unwittingly.