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I'm absolutely blown away by the speed of this website. Facebook and Twitter are a bloated heavy mess in comparison. I just registered for an account and I'm g

by mrzool 6y ago

I'm absolutely blown away by the speed of this website. Facebook and Twitter are a bloated heavy mess in comparison. I just registered for an account and I'm getting super nostalgic. Really well done! Edit: here's my profile in case someone wants to add me :) https://spacehey.com/mrzool https://spacehey.com/mrzool

userbinator 6y ago
That's what 10 years of hardware improvements actually looks like without 10 corresponding years of software degradation.
- tgtweak 6y ago
  Underrated comment. Strangely the opposite is true for the linux kernel - seems to run better and better on old hardware every year.
  - selfhoster11 6y ago
    It's a shame that the userland doesn't keep up pace as well. I'm told that even old CLI utils start to get bloated now.
- turing_complete 6y ago
  I feel like the hackernews-driven framework hype cycle contributes to this degradation. Unfortunately.
partyguy 6y ago
thank you :)
konjin 6y ago
Server side rendered content is better in nearly all cases. From some reason people think that offloading html/css rendering to users is somehow faster. It really isn't. My home site is faster to access half way across the world served from a raspberry pi than twitter is.
- whbrown 6y ago
  Client side rendered won't be faster all things being equal since they'll have to make at least an extra round trip request after the initial (html/js/css) requests for data from the API, but it should definitely be much cheaper since you can lean on the client's compute rather than solely your own servers. Given the popularity of facebook/reddit/twitter/gmail etc. it seems users think client-side rendering is fast enough, and what each of those sites have in common is the impracticability of precaching every single user's version of the application anyways.
  - quickthrower2 6y ago
    Compute? Rendering JSON and HTML via a template I imagine are roughly equivalent.
    - selfhoster11 6y ago
      You can make anything slow if you make it complex enough. I have a slow mobile and in-browser Reddit loads in about 10 seconds or so. Twitter is not much better.
  - userbinator 6y ago
    Given the popularity of facebook/reddit/gmail etc. it seems users think client-side rendering is fast enough No, users are being forced to choose between not using those services, and using something which is clearly getting worse. There are plenty of complaints, yet the self-centered developers just don't care since they know the users will keep eating whatever shit they put out. (...and in the case of Reddit, the existence and continuing popularity of old.reddit.com is noteworthy.)
    - whbrown 6y ago
      I don't disagree that it can somewhat diminish user experience. But if users still are scrolling over posts & ads in greater numbers than ever before with cheaper running costs per user--then it does seem a superior option from a business standpoint at least...
Izkata 6y ago
click click click Oh boy: Naruto> 3 hours ago> Hey Mark, just letting you know my son, Boruto, is looking forward to interning at FB as a graphic designer! He really wants work at Spacehey in the future, so FB is kinda like a stepping stone for him. Thanks! The tone people are already setting up on here really does feel more like the internet back when I first got online.

by mrzool 6y ago

userbinator 6y ago

That's what 10 years of hardware improvements actually looks like without 10 corresponding years of software degradation.

tgtweak 6y ago
Underrated comment. Strangely the opposite is true for the linux kernel - seems to run better and better on old hardware every year.
- selfhoster11 6y ago
  It's a shame that the userland doesn't keep up pace as well. I'm told that even old CLI utils start to get bloated now.
turing_complete 6y ago
I feel like the hackernews-driven framework hype cycle contributes to this degradation. Unfortunately.

partyguy 6y ago

thank you :)

konjin 6y ago

Server side rendered content is better in nearly all cases. From some reason people think that offloading html/css rendering to users is somehow faster. It really isn't. My home site is faster to access half way across the world served from a raspberry pi than twitter is.

whbrown 6y ago
Client side rendered won't be faster all things being equal since they'll have to make at least an extra round trip request after the initial (html/js/css) requests for data from the API, but it should definitely be much cheaper since you can lean on the client's compute rather than solely your own servers. Given the popularity of facebook/reddit/twitter/gmail etc. it seems users think client-side rendering is fast enough, and what each of those sites have in common is the impracticability of precaching every single user's version of the application anyways.
- quickthrower2 6y ago
  Compute? Rendering JSON and HTML via a template I imagine are roughly equivalent.
  - selfhoster11 6y ago
    You can make anything slow if you make it complex enough. I have a slow mobile and in-browser Reddit loads in about 10 seconds or so. Twitter is not much better.
- userbinator 6y ago
  Given the popularity of facebook/reddit/gmail etc. it seems users think client-side rendering is fast enough No, users are being forced to choose between not using those services, and using something which is clearly getting worse. There are plenty of complaints, yet the self-centered developers just don't care since they know the users will keep eating whatever shit they put out. (...and in the case of Reddit, the existence and continuing popularity of old.reddit.com is noteworthy.)
  - whbrown 6y ago
    I don't disagree that it can somewhat diminish user experience. But if users still are scrolling over posts & ads in greater numbers than ever before with cheaper running costs per user--then it does seem a superior option from a business standpoint at least...

Izkata 6y ago

click click click Oh boy: Naruto> 3 hours ago> Hey Mark, just letting you know my son, Boruto, is looking forward to interning at FB as a graphic designer! He really wants work at Spacehey in the future, so FB is kinda like a stepping stone for him. Thanks! The tone people are already setting up on here really does feel more like the internet back when I first got online.