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Looks like you missed the whole systemd and cgroups thing. The two are huge and novel developments in OS design, and much more significant than the GUI flimflam
by otabdeveloper4 6y ago
Looks like you missed the whole systemd and cgroups thing. The two are huge and novel developments in OS design, and much more significant than the GUI flimflam you pine for.
(Yeah, Linux is a server OS, not news.)
- pjmlp 6y agoSystemd is nothing new, Linux copying comercial UNIXes and Windows/VMS, with the community dumping hate left and right on the authors. cgroups has been a thing on mainframes for decades.
- anthk 6y agoSystemD is like Solaris service manager, but far worse. And, on cgroups, I think AIX has something like that but much, much, MUCH better.
- pjmlp 6y agoIt is called LPAR.
- mixmastamyk 6y agoWhat made Solaris sm better? Curious as I never used that one.
- qz2 6y agoIt’s even worse. Systemd, dbus and journald are basically service manager, DCOM and Event Log from windows, but worse! It’s not the wrong type of solution but systemd is somewhat stinky compared to what we could have had.
- pjmlp 6y agoD-BUS ideas actually trace back to ToolTalk on Solaris. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ToolTalk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ToolTalk
- otabdeveloper4 6y agoSystemd does a lot more than just manage services. The underlying architecture is a generic resource and dependency management system.
- nix23 6y ago>generic resource and dependency management system Generic is the complete wrong word for systemd, it's the opposite of Generic.
- otabdeveloper4 6y agoEverything "has been done before" in computing. The difference is a matter of degree and attention to detail. And your comment about it having been a thing on mainframes underscores my point. The server story for Linux is evolving (and maturing) greatly, and very quickly. The Linux of today is not at all like the Linux from 2010. To say that Linux is stuck in some sort of legacy UNIX quagmire is just silly.
- pjmlp 6y agoSo what ideas are actually new, introduced by Linux crowd, instead of copied from either older UNIXes or mainframes?
- jzwinck 6y agoHow about recvmmsg? I never saw that before Linux, and haven't been able to find a reference to anything similar on say AIX or Solaris.
- pjmlp 6y agoReally? https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/recvmsg.html https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/re...
- jzwinck 6y agoYes really. I wrote recvmmsg. You linked to recvmsg. They are not the same thing.
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- nix23 6y agoI never have seen a Bitrot resistant filesystem on Linux before NILFS.
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- tsm_sf 6y agoThe older I get, the more our devotion to the CLI feels like gatekeeping.
- otabdeveloper4 6y agoGatekeeping from what? Linux is a server OS.
- pjmlp 6y agoFinally given up on "Year of Desktop Linux"?
- the_af 6y agoThe year of Desktop Linux arrived for me about a decade ago. Now I work, game, watch movies, edit graphics and photos, all on Linux. I like and want the powerful combination of the CLI and GUI applications.
- pjmlp 6y agoFinally met one of the happy 1% from Steam surveys.
- blub 6y agoThe point of "Linux on the desktop" was not that it happens for you and the other commenter, but that Linux becomes mainstream. :) Never happened and unless something extraordinary occurs it likely never will. And Android doesn't count, obviously.
- nix23 6y agoLong time ago in a other galaxy there was a system called "time sharing system" >The two are huge and novel developments in OS design Yeah "new" since the 1960 on a Computer called PDP10 from DEC