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I have no views on the video, I didn’t watch it, but tech companies censoring and pushing back against free speech troubles me. Individuals and companies have

I have no views on the video, I didn’t watch it, but tech companies censoring and pushing back against free speech troubles me. Individuals and companies have the right to do what they want with their own property, and I don’t have any great ideas on how to solve this dilemma. One solution would be to have many platforms but we live in a winner take all world and platforms like YT get more powerful because of network effects.

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jeanlucas 6y ago
Let me try being the devil's advocate here. With so many content being uploaded, it's better to err and not promote any video that could be an allusion to terrorism, sexual content, and so on. If humans were moderating youtube it would be worse and the amount of people needed would be impractical. At the same time, the author gets much more views saying his video was censored than if he was just one more video made on the platform. Just like singers would look for the +18 black mark on their LPs back in the 80s/90s.
- dredds 6y ago
  > "If humans were moderating youtube it would be worse" That's quite an assumption that human moderation is worse than an algorithm. > "and the amount of people needed would be impractical." What is up-voting and down-voting and reporting? It's not like there's a lack of human eyeballs on the issue already. If no one watched, then no impact.
musingsole 6y ago
But why is that? Shouldn't the only bar to putting some videos up on the internet be bandwith? We can solve that with IPFS. The content hosting with youtube is nice, but the bigger problem solved by YT is search. So a video up on a server somewhere might as well be dark unless something can link to it and someone looking for it or something similar can be pointed to it. That search feature itself can't be centralized or else we have the same censoring problem. It would be nice if a type of searching system could be bundled with IPFS, though I don't know what that would look like. The sooner we have a system where no one can close the gates, the better.
- cinquemb 6y ago
  Well at least for the near future it would probably work like how people have to find torrents: different sites index meta data in their own data bases. Maybe with something like opentracker there could be an endpoint like /search that translates search phrases into a sparse column vector and looks up cosine similarity against that instances low dimensional space representation of the tf-idf against torrent hashes, those low dimensional space representation files can also be distributed in torrent file and as well as way to constantly update/compute new low dimensional space representation files as hashes are added. For example it would probably look something like what I do in [0] but as a compiled module linked into and accessed from [1] as well constant update/rebuild of ldsr files like [2] linked and kicked off from flags passed in [3] as new hashes come in. [0]: https://github.com/cinquemb/hackedteam-email-index-mining/blob/master/search_emails/search_emails.cpp https://github.com/cinquemb/hackedteam-email-index-mining/bl... [1]: https://erdgeist.org/gitweb/opentracker/tree/ot_http.c https://erdgeist.org/gitweb/opentracker/tree/ot_http.c [2]: https://github.com/cinquemb/hackedteam-email-index-mining/blob/master/mine_emails.cpp https://github.com/cinquemb/hackedteam-email-index-mining/bl... [3]: https://erdgeist.org/gitweb/opentracker/tree/opentracker.c https://erdgeist.org/gitweb/opentracker/tree/opentracker.c
fma 6y ago
If you look at the current fracturing of conservative media...with Trump supporters fleeing to OANN and Newsmax...what you'll get is that an audience would only watch things that reinforces their beliefs for the dopamine hit, and people will do anything to monetize it, including telling extreme lies over and over (and standing by claiming it's just their opinion that covid is fake, protected by by free speech, while hospitals bed are getting overloaded)
stjohnswarts 6y ago
But they own the platform? You are free to set up your own server and host the content. What is much much scarier is the government telling you that you can't put up such content. Until that happens I'm not very worried.

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jeanlucas 6y ago

Let me try being the devil's advocate here. With so many content being uploaded, it's better to err and not promote any video that could be an allusion to terrorism, sexual content, and so on. If humans were moderating youtube it would be worse and the amount of people needed would be impractical. At the same time, the author gets much more views saying his video was censored than if he was just one more video made on the platform. Just like singers would look for the +18 black mark on their LPs back in the 80s/90s.

dredds 6y ago
> "If humans were moderating youtube it would be worse" That's quite an assumption that human moderation is worse than an algorithm. > "and the amount of people needed would be impractical." What is up-voting and down-voting and reporting? It's not like there's a lack of human eyeballs on the issue already. If no one watched, then no impact.

musingsole 6y ago

But why is that? Shouldn't the only bar to putting some videos up on the internet be bandwith? We can solve that with IPFS. The content hosting with youtube is nice, but the bigger problem solved by YT is search. So a video up on a server somewhere might as well be dark unless something can link to it and someone looking for it or something similar can be pointed to it. That search feature itself can't be centralized or else we have the same censoring problem. It would be nice if a type of searching system could be bundled with IPFS, though I don't know what that would look like. The sooner we have a system where no one can close the gates, the better.

cinquemb 6y ago
Well at least for the near future it would probably work like how people have to find torrents: different sites index meta data in their own data bases. Maybe with something like opentracker there could be an endpoint like /search that translates search phrases into a sparse column vector and looks up cosine similarity against that instances low dimensional space representation of the tf-idf against torrent hashes, those low dimensional space representation files can also be distributed in torrent file and as well as way to constantly update/compute new low dimensional space representation files as hashes are added. For example it would probably look something like what I do in [0] but as a compiled module linked into and accessed from [1] as well constant update/rebuild of ldsr files like [2] linked and kicked off from flags passed in [3] as new hashes come in. [0]: https://github.com/cinquemb/hackedteam-email-index-mining/blob/master/search_emails/search_emails.cpp https://github.com/cinquemb/hackedteam-email-index-mining/bl... [1]: https://erdgeist.org/gitweb/opentracker/tree/ot_http.c https://erdgeist.org/gitweb/opentracker/tree/ot_http.c [2]: https://github.com/cinquemb/hackedteam-email-index-mining/blob/master/mine_emails.cpp https://github.com/cinquemb/hackedteam-email-index-mining/bl... [3]: https://erdgeist.org/gitweb/opentracker/tree/opentracker.c https://erdgeist.org/gitweb/opentracker/tree/opentracker.c

fma 6y ago

If you look at the current fracturing of conservative media...with Trump supporters fleeing to OANN and Newsmax...what you'll get is that an audience would only watch things that reinforces their beliefs for the dopamine hit, and people will do anything to monetize it, including telling extreme lies over and over (and standing by claiming it's just their opinion that covid is fake, protected by by free speech, while hospitals bed are getting overloaded)

stjohnswarts 6y ago

But they own the platform? You are free to set up your own server and host the content. What is much much scarier is the government telling you that you can't put up such content. Until that happens I'm not very worried.