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I dunno I still firmly sit in the 9/11 was an inside job camp. I've looked to be debunked and disproven many times over the years wondering if I was just young

• rbanffy 6y ago
  The biggest danger our minds face, and I say this to you with all the kindness, is that our minds cannot be used reliably to measure themselves individually. Seen from the inside, insanity looks sane. :-( I have a dear friend who doesn't believe we landed on the Moon. Otherwise he's highly intelligent and successful. I joked with my therapist that his job was to help me debug myself, as nobody can do it alone. We all are subject to small malfunctions. We just need to be aware of that.
  • waheoo 6y ago
    Indeed. These facts are why I so highly value my own awareness and willingness to change my mind. I'd love to have someone prove me wrong. Over the years much of 9/11 has received reasonable doubt worthy mythbusting. But at some point the arguments are just too overwhelming. To me, the "MythBusters" actually sound delusional. They're unwilling to confront evidence, and are guilty of most the things this article lists. One of the problems with this case in particular is how isolating it all is. I don't tell people I'm a truther. You learn real fast how "wrong you are" from the screeching mother's about how dare you? As if questioning the so trustworthy media narrative is somehow offensive just because people died. Yes they died, I'm disgusted by it. I'm more disgusted by the idea that the govt was behind it. But the problem with this isolation is that you can't get dissenting ideas. I have to seek out confronting views this in itself is uncomfortable. Past this, I have to wade through the myth busters jokes and jabs at my expense, being compared to moon landing hoaxers and antivaxxers. I can see how people fall into conspiracy theories and get shutout of society for it. To this day I hope I'm wrong I hope one day someone can convince me. But to this day. Nobody has, and given how much evidence is now lost or destroyed there really isn't much chance of this happening.
    • ryandrake 6y ago
      > I'd love to have someone prove me wrong. Nobody is going to do that for you. Sorry, but truthers are in exactly the same bucket as moon landing hoaxers, antivaxers, and flat earthers. The burden of proof is on them. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. "I believe in X, prove me wrong" is Argument from ignorance [1], where one asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
      • waheoo 6y ago
        I don't think that's a very representative view of what my post was about. I actively search for contrary opinion and dissenting facts. Hell this convo spurred me to re-watch and re-read a bunch of the old criticisms. Regarding moon landing and antivaxxers being the same that is entirely false. There is plenty of evidence we landed on the moon, there is plenty of evidence vaccines work. Truthers don't argue if planes hit the towers. They argue the people behind the act were not those you have been lead to believe with little to no evidence. Truthers don't believe the narrative. And aside from the more extreme individuals that believe everything that Alex tells them, truthers don't disagree with facts. In fact truthers seek fact. The only problem is that they we were met with obstruction at every turn. When you're prevented from looking at the evidence, when the evidence is quickly cleaned up and destroyed without standard practice investigation taking place it leaves questions open for interpretation. You can't tell then me the sky is green, no you can't look, and no, your argument that it is blue is an argument from ignorance, how dare you open these old wounds.
• 20after4 6y ago
  Some conspiracy theories are true.
  • waheoo 6y ago
    I don't even care what the truth is. I just want people to stop hiding it.