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Similarly, they said: >This vulnerability has forced Tesla to issue an over the air patch for its Model X vehicles. And I'd consider it a more interesting sto

Similarly, they said: >This vulnerability has forced Tesla to issue an over the air patch for its Model X vehicles. And I'd consider it a more interesting story that "Tesla was able to address this grievous problem with an over the air patch." This kind of problem means it's time for a recall for any car I've ever owned, and I think that holds for the majority of the industry today, still.

itsoktocry 6y ago
>This kind of problem means it's time for a recall for any car I've ever owned, and I think that holds for the majority of the industry today, still. And yet we aren't inundated with brand-wide OEM recalls due to these other cars being hacked, despite the fact that there are hundreds of times more of them sold than Teslas every year. Why do you think that is?
- Roritharr 6y ago
  Because, historically, such issues simply are not getting fixed. Basically every keyfob sold before the mid 2000s got hacked via various methods. That's just a fact car manufacturers have not addressed retroactively.
  - cptskippy 6y ago
    Vulnerabilities were found in Ford's 2019 key fobs. Let's not forget you can use a De Bruijn sequence of like 3200 numbers to unlock any Ford with Securicide. I don't know if Ford fixed it in newer models but as it was on 90% of vehicles they sold since the 90s, they opted to roll the dice and not recall.
    - CamperBob2 6y ago
      There should be a literary term for cases where a typo or malapropism is as incredibly apt as "Securicide."
      - interestica 6y ago
        I didn't know it was a typo until you highlighted. I legit thought it was the name of some hacker tool.
- vvanders 6y ago
  You might want to give https://www.wired.com/2016/08/jeep-hackers-return-high-speed-steering-acceleration-hacks/ https://www.wired.com/2016/08/jeep-hackers-return-high-speed... a read.
- cbanek 6y ago
  "Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one." - Fight Club
- hoistbypetard 6y ago
  My family owns a subaru and a honda. I've had to bring each of them in (the subaru, twice) for recalls that could have been fixed with OTA patches had the manufacturers been so prepared. So I can't sign onto your "we aren't inundated" assertion. Before I got rid of it in favor of the Subaru, my BMW had its key fob hacked, but the manufacturer opted not to recall it for a fix, in the US at least. I think similar models had gotten different treatment in Europe. I could only speculate as to why the Tesla hack that's fixable OTA gets so much more attention than these others that apply to larger numbers of cars, but I have no inside knowledge and have done no study that would make my speculation on that front any more reliable than yours. Whatever the reason is, it's not because the hacks aren't there, or because it takes something less than a recall to fix them. Why do you think it is?

itsoktocry 6y ago

>This kind of problem means it's time for a recall for any car I've ever owned, and I think that holds for the majority of the industry today, still. And yet we aren't inundated with brand-wide OEM recalls due to these other cars being hacked, despite the fact that there are hundreds of times more of them sold than Teslas every year. Why do you think that is?

Roritharr 6y ago
Because, historically, such issues simply are not getting fixed. Basically every keyfob sold before the mid 2000s got hacked via various methods. That's just a fact car manufacturers have not addressed retroactively.
- cptskippy 6y ago
  Vulnerabilities were found in Ford's 2019 key fobs. Let's not forget you can use a De Bruijn sequence of like 3200 numbers to unlock any Ford with Securicide. I don't know if Ford fixed it in newer models but as it was on 90% of vehicles they sold since the 90s, they opted to roll the dice and not recall.
  - CamperBob2 6y ago
    There should be a literary term for cases where a typo or malapropism is as incredibly apt as "Securicide."
    - interestica 6y ago
      I didn't know it was a typo until you highlighted. I legit thought it was the name of some hacker tool.
vvanders 6y ago
You might want to give https://www.wired.com/2016/08/jeep-hackers-return-high-speed-steering-acceleration-hacks/ https://www.wired.com/2016/08/jeep-hackers-return-high-speed... a read.
cbanek 6y ago
"Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one." - Fight Club
hoistbypetard 6y ago
My family owns a subaru and a honda. I've had to bring each of them in (the subaru, twice) for recalls that could have been fixed with OTA patches had the manufacturers been so prepared. So I can't sign onto your "we aren't inundated" assertion. Before I got rid of it in favor of the Subaru, my BMW had its key fob hacked, but the manufacturer opted not to recall it for a fix, in the US at least. I think similar models had gotten different treatment in Europe. I could only speculate as to why the Tesla hack that's fixable OTA gets so much more attention than these others that apply to larger numbers of cars, but I have no inside knowledge and have done no study that would make my speculation on that front any more reliable than yours. Whatever the reason is, it's not because the hacks aren't there, or because it takes something less than a recall to fix them. Why do you think it is?