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I can say that Growl and desktop notifications are the very first thing I disable. Not once on 20 years of computing did I ever think: “I want applications to

by tabob 6y ago

I can say that Growl and desktop notifications are the very first thing I disable. Not once on 20 years of computing did I ever think: “I want applications to interrupt what I’m doing and steal my limited ADHD focus because they’re lonely and need attention”.

bzb6 6y ago
Same on Windows. I find desktop notifications to be extremely annoying. On Windows applications can highlight themselves on the taskbar; that is more than enough to call my attention.
- tabob 6y ago
  I earnestly believe that OS developers and app developers who implement pop-ups or notifications or dialogue boxes would mostly fail the Sociopath test if they were made to take it before being allowed to commit code. This sort of attention-theft feels very malicious to me.
  - lexicality 6y ago
    That is a very weird way to think. Most people find notifications very useful - enough people in fact that Growl being a third party app you have to install in order to get notifications was extremely popular and lasted for 17 years. Some applications do seem to think they are more valuable to you than they actually are, but that's usually going to be product managers with an inflated sense of their own importance rather than trying to attack you. You say you have ADHD. I also have ADHD and I can tell you that NTs generally aren't malicious or sociopaths or intentionally trying to destroy our focus - they're just ignorant and building for what they know in the same way sighted developers tend to produce websites blind users can't access.
ChrisGrowl 6y ago
Which is why we split visual displays and actions in Growl 2. You could entirely disable visual displays and set actions for specific notifications.
latexr 6y ago
> Not once on 20 years of computing did I ever think: “I want applications to interrupt what I’m doing and steal my limited ADHD focus because they’re lonely and need attention”. You don’t need to allow notifications from random apps to make them work for you: your-long-running-script && osascript -e 'display notification "Done"' || osascript -e 'display notification "There was an error!"'
K7PJP 6y ago
I loved Growl because it helped me manage my ADHD, I could monitor conversations without switching apps. For some of us communication is the main purpose of computing. The issue today is that every application now offers notifications, and only some of them are useful. So disable the ones you don't need.

by tabob 6y ago

bzb6 6y ago

Same on Windows. I find desktop notifications to be extremely annoying. On Windows applications can highlight themselves on the taskbar; that is more than enough to call my attention.

tabob 6y ago
I earnestly believe that OS developers and app developers who implement pop-ups or notifications or dialogue boxes would mostly fail the Sociopath test if they were made to take it before being allowed to commit code. This sort of attention-theft feels very malicious to me.
- lexicality 6y ago
  That is a very weird way to think. Most people find notifications very useful - enough people in fact that Growl being a third party app you have to install in order to get notifications was extremely popular and lasted for 17 years. Some applications do seem to think they are more valuable to you than they actually are, but that's usually going to be product managers with an inflated sense of their own importance rather than trying to attack you. You say you have ADHD. I also have ADHD and I can tell you that NTs generally aren't malicious or sociopaths or intentionally trying to destroy our focus - they're just ignorant and building for what they know in the same way sighted developers tend to produce websites blind users can't access.

ChrisGrowl 6y ago

Which is why we split visual displays and actions in Growl 2. You could entirely disable visual displays and set actions for specific notifications.

latexr 6y ago

> Not once on 20 years of computing did I ever think: “I want applications to interrupt what I’m doing and steal my limited ADHD focus because they’re lonely and need attention”. You don’t need to allow notifications from random apps to make them work for you: your-long-running-script && osascript -e 'display notification "Done"' || osascript -e 'display notification "There was an error!"'

K7PJP 6y ago

I loved Growl because it helped me manage my ADHD, I could monitor conversations without switching apps. For some of us communication is the main purpose of computing. The issue today is that every application now offers notifications, and only some of them are useful. So disable the ones you don't need.