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There's a few here: https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/11/28/utahs-desert-obelisk-has/ https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/11/28/utahs-desert-obelisk-...

speedgoose 6y ago
> The Salt Lake Tribune's web site, sltrib.com, is unavailable in the European Union. Looks like it's difficult to remove trackers for some companies.
- RedShift1 6y ago
  If The Salt Lake Tribune sells subscriptions on their website, I think they're actually violating EU law again, geoblocking is illegal...
  - andylynch 6y ago
    I doubt it, given they are not targeting the European market. As a Utah firm clearly without an EU nexus, why would they need to care about EU law (or any other country besides their own?)
    - TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
      They clearly do, otherwise the site wouldn't be blocked. And traffic is traffic. It's not that unusual for Rest of World to want to look at an obscure US site.
    - tinus_hn 6y ago
      Of course the same does not apply in reverse, if you run afoul of the DMCA you’ll just be extradited into the US jurisdiction.
  - wasmitnetzen 6y ago
    That's not true, geoblocking of digital goods is only illegal in the EU if you differentiate between different member states. Blocking all of the EU is fine. If you want to read the whole regulation, it's here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.LI.2018.060.01.0001.01.ENG&toc=OJ:L:2018:060I:TOC https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:...
  - macinjosh 6y ago
    News flash! The EU has no jurisdiction in SLC.
    - rualca 6y ago
      Your assertion only makes sense if you assume the only people accessing the site live in SLC.
      - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        No. If my company, my employees, my offices, and my web server are in SLC, I can let you access it from anywhere in the world without worrying about the laws anywhere else. I didn't follow the EU directive? So? What are they going to do, send assassins? Sue me in EU court? What levers of power over me do they have that have any relevance whatsoever?
- grahamburger 6y ago
  FWIW, The Salt Lake Tribune is a non-profit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21446317 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21446317 I dislike tracking on the web as much as the next HN reader, but I can also understand how a small/cash-strapped local newspaper would be hard pressed to spend literally any time or resources making sure that they are compliant with regulations in countries on the other side of the planet.
  - speedgoose 6y ago
    Fair enough. Though, they spent the time and money to implement the geo blocking and to consult lawyers.
    - generalizations 6y ago
      Pretty sure that geoblocking is what you do when you don't have the cash to hire lawyers to make sure you did your compliance right.
    - dorfsmay 6y ago
      Implementing geoblocking is trivial.
      - speedgoose 6y ago
        Removing the trackers too.
        dorfsmay 6y ago
        But what if those trackers is what make them financially viable?
        speedgoose 6y ago
        Thanks to the geo blocking, we know that they do not rely on this source of income from European visitors.
- macinjosh 6y ago
  Looks like it is difficult for some Europeans to acknowledge that not everyone on earth lives under the rule of unelected EU technocrats.
  - speedgoose 6y ago
    You haven't heard of the European elections?
  - jagsbdjdksj 6y ago
    As opposed to being ruled by technocrats elected by someone else(Americans)?
  - rualca 6y ago
    > Looks like it is difficult for some Europeans to acknowledge that not everyone on earth lives under the rule of unelected EU technocrats. Your comment reads as a textbook example of the expression "cut off the nose to spite the face". Do you honestly believe that abusive tracking is in anyway in your best interests?
wumms 6y ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20201129061555/https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/11/28/utahs-desert-obelisk-has/ https://web.archive.org/web/20201129061555/https://www.sltri... (sltrib.com blocks visitors from Europe)

speedgoose 6y ago

> The Salt Lake Tribune's web site, sltrib.com, is unavailable in the European Union. Looks like it's difficult to remove trackers for some companies.

RedShift1 6y ago
If The Salt Lake Tribune sells subscriptions on their website, I think they're actually violating EU law again, geoblocking is illegal...
- andylynch 6y ago
  I doubt it, given they are not targeting the European market. As a Utah firm clearly without an EU nexus, why would they need to care about EU law (or any other country besides their own?)
  - TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
    They clearly do, otherwise the site wouldn't be blocked. And traffic is traffic. It's not that unusual for Rest of World to want to look at an obscure US site.
  - tinus_hn 6y ago
    Of course the same does not apply in reverse, if you run afoul of the DMCA you’ll just be extradited into the US jurisdiction.
- wasmitnetzen 6y ago
  That's not true, geoblocking of digital goods is only illegal in the EU if you differentiate between different member states. Blocking all of the EU is fine. If you want to read the whole regulation, it's here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.LI.2018.060.01.0001.01.ENG&toc=OJ:L:2018:060I:TOC https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:...
- macinjosh 6y ago
  News flash! The EU has no jurisdiction in SLC.
  - rualca 6y ago
    Your assertion only makes sense if you assume the only people accessing the site live in SLC.
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      No. If my company, my employees, my offices, and my web server are in SLC, I can let you access it from anywhere in the world without worrying about the laws anywhere else. I didn't follow the EU directive? So? What are they going to do, send assassins? Sue me in EU court? What levers of power over me do they have that have any relevance whatsoever?
grahamburger 6y ago
FWIW, The Salt Lake Tribune is a non-profit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21446317 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21446317 I dislike tracking on the web as much as the next HN reader, but I can also understand how a small/cash-strapped local newspaper would be hard pressed to spend literally any time or resources making sure that they are compliant with regulations in countries on the other side of the planet.
- speedgoose 6y ago
  Fair enough. Though, they spent the time and money to implement the geo blocking and to consult lawyers.
  - generalizations 6y ago
    Pretty sure that geoblocking is what you do when you don't have the cash to hire lawyers to make sure you did your compliance right.
  - dorfsmay 6y ago
    Implementing geoblocking is trivial.
    - speedgoose 6y ago
      Removing the trackers too.
      - dorfsmay 6y ago
        But what if those trackers is what make them financially viable?
        speedgoose 6y ago
        Thanks to the geo blocking, we know that they do not rely on this source of income from European visitors.
macinjosh 6y ago
Looks like it is difficult for some Europeans to acknowledge that not everyone on earth lives under the rule of unelected EU technocrats.
- speedgoose 6y ago
  You haven't heard of the European elections?
- jagsbdjdksj 6y ago
  As opposed to being ruled by technocrats elected by someone else(Americans)?
- rualca 6y ago
  > Looks like it is difficult for some Europeans to acknowledge that not everyone on earth lives under the rule of unelected EU technocrats. Your comment reads as a textbook example of the expression "cut off the nose to spite the face". Do you honestly believe that abusive tracking is in anyway in your best interests?

wumms 6y ago

https://web.archive.org/web/20201129061555/https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/11/28/utahs-desert-obelisk-has/ https://web.archive.org/web/20201129061555/https://www.sltri... (sltrib.com blocks visitors from Europe)