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Maybe don't sweat it. I keep a bookmark folder with all the threads on HN where the primary form of comment is complaining about the name. It's a pastime here,

Maybe don't sweat it. I keep a bookmark folder with all the threads on HN where the primary form of comment is complaining about the name. It's a pastime here, and it's a great way to provide a low effort comment that the community will upvote. In reality people don't google search for the name of a tool they already know, and if folks are looking for a scripting language for their system, they'll find it via Google, not some already-known-to-nerds name. That said, tex is short, and overlaps with a lot of stuff not even nerdy, so teex will probably help set you apart until the fanboys of some other obscure project called teex come to the party :)

doawoo 6y ago
I don't mind renaming it. It didn't cross my mind initially that it would be a problem. I want developers to have quick and frictionless tools when trying to hack out ideas. That was the main idea behind Teex anyways! If it makes someone's life easier, I've happily ctrl-f'd my code, retired the old Hex package, and published the new one.
vcxy 6y ago
I think you're not realizing how ubiquitous TeX, and the executable `tex` are. It seems like a bad idea to overlap with something so commonly already installed.
- codezero 6y ago
  Wow yeah you really got me there. Let me check my geek credentials, nope, don’t have any, guess I wasn’t working for Red Hat in 1999. Dang, gee, gosh, you got me kid. I’ve worked in tech 25 years, worked in academia and published research in peer reviewed journals. I’ve never used tex in anger, and I know anyone who could, could also figure out how to run two binaries with the same name in their environment. Please, abandon your misdirected dogma, and do some fucking work.
  - rio517 6y ago
    This is a unnecessarily harsh response. Those credentials are great for you, but I'm not sure they add too much to the conversation.
    - codezero 6y ago
      Neither did the low effort comment that didn’t finish reading my previous one, nor did it explain new information about how tex is a bad name. The entire point of this thread was that just saying it has the same name isn’t really helpful. All that said, yes, it was harsh and needless, thanks for calling me out, we can all be better.
      - vcxy 6y ago
        I did make it to the end of your comment. Your comment presupposed the reason us nerds (how is this an insult on HN of all places?) didn't think the name was a good idea was searching and branding. I was saying my problem with it was overlapping executable names. This wasn't new information in the comment section as a whole, but judging by your comment it seemed to be new information to you. It makes sense that you wouldn't use TeX at Redhat, but as a professional mathematician, I've never met anyone in math who doesn't use it. Different fields use different tools. > we can all be better Sure, but I didn't, and won't, directly attack you or your work. My sin was 1) omitting that it is ubiquitous in mathematical sciences in particular, and 2) simply not realizing you already knew the info about the executable name I brought up and just didn't care. Since you didn't even mention the only part I cared about with the name I thought it was new information for you. Show some charity.
        codezero 6y ago
        It’s tough to put all the context out there - obviously I’m guilty there too - I don’t even think searchability is a real reason, and overlapping executables are a thing but still not that tricky for most folks who are using a CLI. I’m mostly annoyed with how every time something like this happens lots of people just comment on the name and not the substance of the project, it’s such a huge distraction. I studied solar physics but my PIs were in their 70s so all drafts were reviewed in MS Office. I would have liked to have a reason to use something more classy, but that’s how it goes. I appreciate your reply, and I apologize for being an asshole. I’ll take this with me as I try to be less of an asshole going forward, if you search my history it may look like I never learn, but I’m always trying :) At work someone got annoyed with the phrase assume good intentions, and proposed an alternative: ask compassionate questions. I’ve been thinking a lot about this and I will try to do that next time I start making assumptions or before I blow my lid on a stranger, and it shouldn’t matter that you’re obviously a decent person, but I still appreciate it.
rio517 6y ago
Valid.

doawoo 6y ago

I don't mind renaming it. It didn't cross my mind initially that it would be a problem. I want developers to have quick and frictionless tools when trying to hack out ideas. That was the main idea behind Teex anyways! If it makes someone's life easier, I've happily ctrl-f'd my code, retired the old Hex package, and published the new one.

vcxy 6y ago

I think you're not realizing how ubiquitous TeX, and the executable `tex` are. It seems like a bad idea to overlap with something so commonly already installed.

codezero 6y ago
Wow yeah you really got me there. Let me check my geek credentials, nope, don’t have any, guess I wasn’t working for Red Hat in 1999. Dang, gee, gosh, you got me kid. I’ve worked in tech 25 years, worked in academia and published research in peer reviewed journals. I’ve never used tex in anger, and I know anyone who could, could also figure out how to run two binaries with the same name in their environment. Please, abandon your misdirected dogma, and do some fucking work.
- rio517 6y ago
  This is a unnecessarily harsh response. Those credentials are great for you, but I'm not sure they add too much to the conversation.
  - codezero 6y ago
    Neither did the low effort comment that didn’t finish reading my previous one, nor did it explain new information about how tex is a bad name. The entire point of this thread was that just saying it has the same name isn’t really helpful. All that said, yes, it was harsh and needless, thanks for calling me out, we can all be better.
    - vcxy 6y ago
      I did make it to the end of your comment. Your comment presupposed the reason us nerds (how is this an insult on HN of all places?) didn't think the name was a good idea was searching and branding. I was saying my problem with it was overlapping executable names. This wasn't new information in the comment section as a whole, but judging by your comment it seemed to be new information to you. It makes sense that you wouldn't use TeX at Redhat, but as a professional mathematician, I've never met anyone in math who doesn't use it. Different fields use different tools. > we can all be better Sure, but I didn't, and won't, directly attack you or your work. My sin was 1) omitting that it is ubiquitous in mathematical sciences in particular, and 2) simply not realizing you already knew the info about the executable name I brought up and just didn't care. Since you didn't even mention the only part I cared about with the name I thought it was new information for you. Show some charity.
      - codezero 6y ago
        It’s tough to put all the context out there - obviously I’m guilty there too - I don’t even think searchability is a real reason, and overlapping executables are a thing but still not that tricky for most folks who are using a CLI. I’m mostly annoyed with how every time something like this happens lots of people just comment on the name and not the substance of the project, it’s such a huge distraction. I studied solar physics but my PIs were in their 70s so all drafts were reviewed in MS Office. I would have liked to have a reason to use something more classy, but that’s how it goes. I appreciate your reply, and I apologize for being an asshole. I’ll take this with me as I try to be less of an asshole going forward, if you search my history it may look like I never learn, but I’m always trying :) At work someone got annoyed with the phrase assume good intentions, and proposed an alternative: ask compassionate questions. I’ve been thinking a lot about this and I will try to do that next time I start making assumptions or before I blow my lid on a stranger, and it shouldn’t matter that you’re obviously a decent person, but I still appreciate it.

rio517 6y ago

Valid.