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Wouldn't this finding imply the reverse situation - we've been at this level of climate before during a -cooling- time (hence ice) and we're now going through a

Wouldn't this finding imply the reverse situation - we've been at this level of climate before during a -cooling- time (hence ice) and we're now going through a reversal of that cooling?

viraptor 6y ago
It depends how optimistic you are. It could be a message from a civilisation wiped out ages ago, because they knew at what point they crossed the line when the changes were irreversible. (ignore the continent drift and the placement of the sign for a bit :) ) Devices left behind kept working for some time, speeding up the recovery enough that we can't see that period clearly in any usual natural markers.
- bioinformatics 6y ago
  Nah, it's not optimism, it's intelligence, really. Yes, it's definitely a message from peoples of olden ages.
tchvil 6y ago
I was thinking exactly this too. And found quite a few other articles about glacier archaeology, like this one: https://climateaudit.org/2005/11/18/archaeological-finds-in-retreating-swiss-glacier/ https://climateaudit.org/2005/11/18/archaeological-finds-in-... As it dates back from 2005... I'm not sure the parent one will spark any doubt either
permo-w 6y ago
Surely it would imply that they had 5 years and they succeeded
Gravityloss 6y ago
We might have passed the "holocene climate optimum" already (haven't researched it much) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_%28period%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_%28period%29 During the holocene, (last 10,000 years, ie after the ice age) Northern Europe has seen much warmer temperatures than the average of last century. Finland had oak forests in the stone age five thousand years ago. And there were much colder periods than now in between etc. Currently there's a lot of old oaks only in the warmest most favorable locations and forests are mostly pine. After all they take centuries to grow. But oak is again spreading.

Wouldn't this finding imply the reverse situation - we've been at this level of climate before during a -cooling- time (hence ice) and we're now going through a reversal of that cooling?

viraptor 6y ago

It depends how optimistic you are. It could be a message from a civilisation wiped out ages ago, because they knew at what point they crossed the line when the changes were irreversible. (ignore the continent drift and the placement of the sign for a bit :) ) Devices left behind kept working for some time, speeding up the recovery enough that we can't see that period clearly in any usual natural markers.

bioinformatics 6y ago
Nah, it's not optimism, it's intelligence, really. Yes, it's definitely a message from peoples of olden ages.

tchvil 6y ago

I was thinking exactly this too. And found quite a few other articles about glacier archaeology, like this one: https://climateaudit.org/2005/11/18/archaeological-finds-in-retreating-swiss-glacier/ https://climateaudit.org/2005/11/18/archaeological-finds-in-... As it dates back from 2005... I'm not sure the parent one will spark any doubt either

permo-w 6y ago

Surely it would imply that they had 5 years and they succeeded

Gravityloss 6y ago

We might have passed the "holocene climate optimum" already (haven't researched it much) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_%28period%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_%28period%29 During the holocene, (last 10,000 years, ie after the ice age) Northern Europe has seen much warmer temperatures than the average of last century. Finland had oak forests in the stone age five thousand years ago. And there were much colder periods than now in between etc. Currently there's a lot of old oaks only in the warmest most favorable locations and forests are mostly pine. After all they take centuries to grow. But oak is again spreading.