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I don't understand this obsession with not having JavaScript. Ideally all sites should work without JavaScript, but what's with this "I don't use that JavaScrip

I don't understand this obsession with not having JavaScript. Ideally all sites should work without JavaScript, but what's with this "I don't use that JavaScript non-sense" rhetoric?

tcbasche 6y ago
I think it’s become fashionable due to how trackers and dark patterns have used JS. But as someone has pointed out, it’s people not the technology...
- 0goel0 6y ago
  It's the technology arguably more than the people. People started using invasive trackers not because the trackers are innate, but because someone built them.
  - chrysoprace 6y ago
    Sure, and websites should respect that the browser doesn't want JavaScript. I've taken great care to make sure my site works with and without JavaScript. What I don't understand is why it's trendy to say you don't have JavaScript on your site.
    - userbinator 6y ago
      What I don't understand is why it's trendy to say you don't have JavaScript on your site. People are starting to realise how a lot of JS use is unnecessary, and the opposition to it is growing.
      - ulisesrmzroche 6y ago
        I think most people are not interested in this at all. The truth is that people love JS and want more of it.
        curtainsforus 6y ago
        Most people don't know what Javascript is, and don't care.
- pwdisswordfish4 6y ago
  This is the second time in as many days where "dark patterns" has been applied in an awkward way in a prominent place. Was there a widely discussed post where "dark patterns" was used in this way, and is the phrase going to become diluted now? It's a useful term, but it's not useful if people start using it the wrong way.
d357r0y3r 6y ago
There will always be a tiny number of people who won't allow JS, will use Linux as their desktop, etc. These people don't represent anyone's customer base and can be pretty much ignored on the basis that they are curmudgeonly tech contrarians. They can't be sold to anyway, so who cares.
- stanski 6y ago
  I didn't realize using Linux is the same as not allowing Javascript... I feel special!
  - muststopmyths 6y ago
    I guess WSL2 is NoScript then. Javascript, sometimes.
- deleted 6y ago
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- Seirdy 6y ago
  > These people don't represent anyone's customer base and can be pretty much ignored on the basis that they are curmudgeonly tech contrarians. They can't be sold to anyway, so who cares. Thankfully, the Web is not exclusively a commerce platform. Not all websites are beholden to investors.

I don't understand this obsession with not having JavaScript. Ideally all sites should work without JavaScript, but what's with this "I don't use that JavaScript non-sense" rhetoric?

tcbasche 6y ago

I think it’s become fashionable due to how trackers and dark patterns have used JS. But as someone has pointed out, it’s people not the technology...

0goel0 6y ago
It's the technology arguably more than the people. People started using invasive trackers not because the trackers are innate, but because someone built them.
- chrysoprace 6y ago
  Sure, and websites should respect that the browser doesn't want JavaScript. I've taken great care to make sure my site works with and without JavaScript. What I don't understand is why it's trendy to say you don't have JavaScript on your site.
  - userbinator 6y ago
    What I don't understand is why it's trendy to say you don't have JavaScript on your site. People are starting to realise how a lot of JS use is unnecessary, and the opposition to it is growing.
    - ulisesrmzroche 6y ago
      I think most people are not interested in this at all. The truth is that people love JS and want more of it.
      - curtainsforus 6y ago
        Most people don't know what Javascript is, and don't care.
pwdisswordfish4 6y ago
This is the second time in as many days where "dark patterns" has been applied in an awkward way in a prominent place. Was there a widely discussed post where "dark patterns" was used in this way, and is the phrase going to become diluted now? It's a useful term, but it's not useful if people start using it the wrong way.

d357r0y3r 6y ago

There will always be a tiny number of people who won't allow JS, will use Linux as their desktop, etc. These people don't represent anyone's customer base and can be pretty much ignored on the basis that they are curmudgeonly tech contrarians. They can't be sold to anyway, so who cares.

stanski 6y ago
I didn't realize using Linux is the same as not allowing Javascript... I feel special!
- muststopmyths 6y ago
  I guess WSL2 is NoScript then. Javascript, sometimes.
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Seirdy 6y ago
> These people don't represent anyone's customer base and can be pretty much ignored on the basis that they are curmudgeonly tech contrarians. They can't be sold to anyway, so who cares. Thankfully, the Web is not exclusively a commerce platform. Not all websites are beholden to investors.