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I think one common theme we both can agree is that open available data only helps. It doesn't take away from anything. For those who want to verify, they can. T

I think one common theme we both can agree is that open available data only helps. It doesn't take away from anything. For those who want to verify, they can. They can look up FDA reports and inspection results. Transparency builds trust overtime.

hutzlibu 6y ago
"Transparency builds trust overtime." Yep. This is what I mean. I come from east germany, a former post sowjet state. A state which was build on blind trust on the state and no way for the common person to verify anything (or even dare to question anything openly). And big surprise: lots of dark things happened regulary. Now things are still far from perfect in my opinion, but much, much better. And I think they can still improve a lot with even more transparency, because there are still lots of dark things happening behind closed doors. We probably just disagree on the degree of those things.
- Spooky23 6y ago
  Fear and trust are not the same.
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  > A state which was build on blind trust on the state The former Soviet states and other USSR satellites were not built on trust, they were built on force. You had to act like you trusted the state to avoid the repressive force of the state. But people did not trust the state at all, much more so than in today's world. Everyone assumed their telephones were listened to. Everyone assumed that the walls had ears. The lies of the state were often obvious, and often discussed with very close friends and close family, and anything that wasn't an obvious lie was thus considered a likely lie anyway.
  - hutzlibu 6y ago
    Yeah well, sure. Thats one ofmthe reasons, why I am highly sceptical when I have to trust authority blindly. Which goes back to the main point. I cannot really trust a closed encryption source, when I assume they are infiltrated by (western) intelligence agencies. And those agencies I do not trust. And I believe with the open information about them, rightfully so, even if they are not (yet) on par with the Stasi or KGB.

hutzlibu 6y ago

"Transparency builds trust overtime." Yep. This is what I mean. I come from east germany, a former post sowjet state. A state which was build on blind trust on the state and no way for the common person to verify anything (or even dare to question anything openly). And big surprise: lots of dark things happened regulary. Now things are still far from perfect in my opinion, but much, much better. And I think they can still improve a lot with even more transparency, because there are still lots of dark things happening behind closed doors. We probably just disagree on the degree of those things.

Spooky23 6y ago
Fear and trust are not the same.
tsimionescu 6y ago
> A state which was build on blind trust on the state The former Soviet states and other USSR satellites were not built on trust, they were built on force. You had to act like you trusted the state to avoid the repressive force of the state. But people did not trust the state at all, much more so than in today's world. Everyone assumed their telephones were listened to. Everyone assumed that the walls had ears. The lies of the state were often obvious, and often discussed with very close friends and close family, and anything that wasn't an obvious lie was thus considered a likely lie anyway.
- hutzlibu 6y ago
  Yeah well, sure. Thats one ofmthe reasons, why I am highly sceptical when I have to trust authority blindly. Which goes back to the main point. I cannot really trust a closed encryption source, when I assume they are infiltrated by (western) intelligence agencies. And those agencies I do not trust. And I believe with the open information about them, rightfully so, even if they are not (yet) on par with the Stasi or KGB.