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That's for target OSes - developer OSes look like this: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-developers-primary-operating-systems https://i

by scq 6y ago

That's for target OSes - developer OSes look like this: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-developers-primary-operating-systems https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-de... - Windows 45.8% - macOS 27.5% - Linux 26.6% But still, macOS users represent only around a quarter of developers.

hu3 6y ago
Ahh thanks for clarifying. Somehow I missed that section which is more pertinent to the topic.
samatman 6y ago
Which means we're looking at the question with the wrong granularity. There are sectors of the industry where Windows is a hard requirement, ones where Macs are utterly dominant, and others where Linux is assumed and running a proprietary Apple OS gets you the side-eye. Software development is a big tent.
- hu3 6y ago
  > Windows is a hard requirement, ones where Macs are utterly dominant I think you got it reversed. One can develop Android apps on macOS because there's no lockin like XCode. The same is not true for iOS apps which require XCode. So if anything macOS is a hard requirement.
  - samatman 6y ago
    I don't have it reversed at all, mobile applications are just one sector of software development, and not a very large one. There are entire industries (healthcare, to name but one), where Windows is simply a given, and all development targets that platform. It's true that Macs are a requirement for iOS development, I was referring more to the observed fact that most devs in SF doing "cloud" whatever use a Mac, probably around 80%.
    - hu3 6y ago
      > SF doing "cloud" whatever use a Mac, probably around 80%. A specific use case in a specifc place of the globe is your definition of "dominant"? I knew HN was a bubble but this is hilarious. Imagine considering macOS dominant because it's trendy in SF.
      - samatman 6y ago
        No. It's my definition of a "sector", which you would know, if you had read my words with more care and sympathy.
        hu3 6y ago
        The whole thread is about developer marketshare. This is how it started: "Most developers I know use already a mac." I'm sorry but your whole "granularity" tangent makes no sense.
    - wayneftw 6y ago
      > most devs in SF doing "cloud" whatever use a Mac, probably around 80%. They're just victims of group think, advertising, peer pressure or status signalling. Everywhere else in the world, 80% of people doing "cloud" whatever aren't using a Mac.

by scq 6y ago

hu3 6y ago

Ahh thanks for clarifying. Somehow I missed that section which is more pertinent to the topic.

samatman 6y ago

Which means we're looking at the question with the wrong granularity. There are sectors of the industry where Windows is a hard requirement, ones where Macs are utterly dominant, and others where Linux is assumed and running a proprietary Apple OS gets you the side-eye. Software development is a big tent.

hu3 6y ago
> Windows is a hard requirement, ones where Macs are utterly dominant I think you got it reversed. One can develop Android apps on macOS because there's no lockin like XCode. The same is not true for iOS apps which require XCode. So if anything macOS is a hard requirement.
- samatman 6y ago
  I don't have it reversed at all, mobile applications are just one sector of software development, and not a very large one. There are entire industries (healthcare, to name but one), where Windows is simply a given, and all development targets that platform. It's true that Macs are a requirement for iOS development, I was referring more to the observed fact that most devs in SF doing "cloud" whatever use a Mac, probably around 80%.
  - hu3 6y ago
    > SF doing "cloud" whatever use a Mac, probably around 80%. A specific use case in a specifc place of the globe is your definition of "dominant"? I knew HN was a bubble but this is hilarious. Imagine considering macOS dominant because it's trendy in SF.
    - samatman 6y ago
      No. It's my definition of a "sector", which you would know, if you had read my words with more care and sympathy.
      - hu3 6y ago
        The whole thread is about developer marketshare. This is how it started: "Most developers I know use already a mac." I'm sorry but your whole "granularity" tangent makes no sense.
  - wayneftw 6y ago
    > most devs in SF doing "cloud" whatever use a Mac, probably around 80%. They're just victims of group think, advertising, peer pressure or status signalling. Everywhere else in the world, 80% of people doing "cloud" whatever aren't using a Mac.