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nice slipping that trump quote in there.. considering the points made here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16624971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16

nice slipping that trump quote in there.. considering the points made here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16624971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16624971 makes you wonder the credibility of the entire article.

JoeAltmaier 6y ago
And there's #3: black and white argument. Well done.
- rualca 6y ago
  Sounds like #7 and #11 to me, which is a feat as it's only one sentence and posted from a brand new sockpuppet account.
  - tacitusarc 6y ago
    Most of those "indicators" could also be genuine reasoning without ulterior motives, which is also no doubt why they can be effective. But it does mean it's not that simple to recognize, it requires the use of some discernment.
    - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
      Nah. They are emotional levers to pull. They are not 'reasoning' at all. The sole motive in them is, to score points and sway listeners, and not by reason.
      - tacitusarc 6y ago
        Let me approach from a different direction, then. I suppose you could try to come up with a critique of someone that could not possibly be construed as one of the elements on that list. But I think doing so would be very difficult. For example, "I wish you wouldn't be so loud at night when everyone's trying to sleep." Possibly 1 and 2. Playing on the emotion of guilt, and making it seem like everyone is against the noise making. But, it's a legitimate request, and, in reality, not poorly delivered. And that's about as mundane and simple an example critique I could come up with off the top of my head. Most critiques are going to be much more nuanced than that. You may think that my interpretation is ridiculous, and no one would believe the requester was actually narcissistic, but in my experience many people will find any justification not to correct their own misbehavior, and if there's an easy way to rationalize someone else as a narcissist they'll do so. Which is why I think this sort of thing simply requires discernment.
        JoeAltmaier 6y ago
        Well, at least that example has content. The 'tactics' list can largely be executed without any content at all. Just hollering and exaggeration and boasting. Like our current administration.
weare138 6y ago
6) Incredulity: Acting as though what someone said is unbelievable. Narcissists often use this tactic when they don’t understand what another person is saying. Rather than admit they are confused, they pretend that what the other person is saying is beyond belief. This is an attempt to dismiss valid concerns.
pelliphant 6y ago
whats wrong with referencing the most well known narcissist when discussing narcissists?

JoeAltmaier 6y ago

And there's #3: black and white argument. Well done.

rualca 6y ago
Sounds like #7 and #11 to me, which is a feat as it's only one sentence and posted from a brand new sockpuppet account.
- tacitusarc 6y ago
  Most of those "indicators" could also be genuine reasoning without ulterior motives, which is also no doubt why they can be effective. But it does mean it's not that simple to recognize, it requires the use of some discernment.
  - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
    Nah. They are emotional levers to pull. They are not 'reasoning' at all. The sole motive in them is, to score points and sway listeners, and not by reason.
    - tacitusarc 6y ago
      Let me approach from a different direction, then. I suppose you could try to come up with a critique of someone that could not possibly be construed as one of the elements on that list. But I think doing so would be very difficult. For example, "I wish you wouldn't be so loud at night when everyone's trying to sleep." Possibly 1 and 2. Playing on the emotion of guilt, and making it seem like everyone is against the noise making. But, it's a legitimate request, and, in reality, not poorly delivered. And that's about as mundane and simple an example critique I could come up with off the top of my head. Most critiques are going to be much more nuanced than that. You may think that my interpretation is ridiculous, and no one would believe the requester was actually narcissistic, but in my experience many people will find any justification not to correct their own misbehavior, and if there's an easy way to rationalize someone else as a narcissist they'll do so. Which is why I think this sort of thing simply requires discernment.
      - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
        Well, at least that example has content. The 'tactics' list can largely be executed without any content at all. Just hollering and exaggeration and boasting. Like our current administration.

weare138 6y ago

6) Incredulity: Acting as though what someone said is unbelievable. Narcissists often use this tactic when they don’t understand what another person is saying. Rather than admit they are confused, they pretend that what the other person is saying is beyond belief. This is an attempt to dismiss valid concerns.

pelliphant 6y ago

whats wrong with referencing the most well known narcissist when discussing narcissists?