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TBH you made the decision to install a distro that literally markets itself as 'easy to use' There are plenty of ancient distros that still need tons of manual

by pram 6y ago

TBH you made the decision to install a distro that literally markets itself as 'easy to use' There are plenty of ancient distros that still need tons of manual janitoring. Slackware is still updated. OpenBSD exists. LFS is always an option. Go out and make your graybeard UNIX dreams of lovingly handcrafted network configs a reality!

dralley 6y ago
Exactly. You don't even need to go "ancient" to get that level of manual control, Arch exists, Gentoo exists, Debian is pretty close.
- rubatuga 6y ago
  I agree, Debian with `ifupdown` installed is pretty standard.
  - topranks 6y ago
    ifupdown2 ftw
- readingnews 6y ago
  I have used Gentoo since 2000, takes too long now, I am too busy... Debian does not have the audio stuffs I need, and getting caught in compile dependency circles was bad. For some reason, even the maintainers and the audio software group could not get the package working on Debian. I had to back off and go to Mint. I suppose this sounds like a counter argument to me wanting control... but I will admit I am in a special situation in that I want more control, but I use very specialized software that has issues with old or very bleeding edge distros.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
This is really just the age old "you chose the wrong distro!" argument that Linux evangelists have used for 2 decades now to dismiss criticism. If parent had instead said that they were having trouble getting some software working because of a system library conflict, you'd admonish them for using a distro meant for hackers instead of one of the "easy" distros. The point being: why should anyone have to choose between these two extremes? Why can't things be both simple and functional?
- pram 6y ago
  Simple and functional are completely subjective. To answer your question: they have to choose because there are dozens, if not hundreds of options to choose from. That is like one of the most common espoused benefits of the platform, from Linux evangelists and open source maximalists alike! Apparently you are unable to differentiate between nostalgia and an actual technical issue. Yeah, I remember sysv init too! Why should I have to choose between that and systemd??? That isn't exactly the same as having a library issue. hth
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by pram 6y ago

dralley 6y ago

Exactly. You don't even need to go "ancient" to get that level of manual control, Arch exists, Gentoo exists, Debian is pretty close.

rubatuga 6y ago
I agree, Debian with `ifupdown` installed is pretty standard.
- topranks 6y ago
  ifupdown2 ftw
readingnews 6y ago
I have used Gentoo since 2000, takes too long now, I am too busy... Debian does not have the audio stuffs I need, and getting caught in compile dependency circles was bad. For some reason, even the maintainers and the audio software group could not get the package working on Debian. I had to back off and go to Mint. I suppose this sounds like a counter argument to me wanting control... but I will admit I am in a special situation in that I want more control, but I use very specialized software that has issues with old or very bleeding edge distros.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago

This is really just the age old "you chose the wrong distro!" argument that Linux evangelists have used for 2 decades now to dismiss criticism. If parent had instead said that they were having trouble getting some software working because of a system library conflict, you'd admonish them for using a distro meant for hackers instead of one of the "easy" distros. The point being: why should anyone have to choose between these two extremes? Why can't things be both simple and functional?

pram 6y ago
Simple and functional are completely subjective. To answer your question: they have to choose because there are dozens, if not hundreds of options to choose from. That is like one of the most common espoused benefits of the platform, from Linux evangelists and open source maximalists alike! Apparently you are unable to differentiate between nostalgia and an actual technical issue. Yeah, I remember sysv init too! Why should I have to choose between that and systemd??? That isn't exactly the same as having a library issue. hth
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