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Even Linux has its issues. The groups competing for "the one right way" to do things. And the ever present issue that you are one update away from breaking some

Even Linux has its issues. The groups competing for "the one right way" to do things. And the ever present issue that you are one update away from breaking something.

loopz 6y ago
Mint have system restore shipped with installation. Other distros also let you rollback now.
nbzso 6y ago
I am aware of this. But at least there is no one with "Hands gathered for prayer" to babysit me with good intentions(by creating vertical integration and using slaves to maximise profit --- https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/20/apple-uighur/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/20/apple-u...). And there is always option to save image of working setup to restore from. This is personal decision and it is a result of slow and painful realisation of reality imposed by Apple ideas for UX over pro user base. And it is simple, it's a choice in experience, when I drive my car I know that I am in control and have responsibility. I just want this feeling to be present when I work - this is my computer and I have a right to control it. Apple idea of personal computer is to be a "licensed dongle" for software access. Yep, it is not exciting experience for me.
deadbunny 6y ago
Isn't that exactly the point? Multiple groups can develop their "right way" and you can pick and choose which way you prefer. As for being "one update away from breaking" this is an issue on any OS, at least with Linux you have the choice not to update or even roll back.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  > Isn't that exactly the point? Multiple groups can develop their "right way" and you can pick and choose which way you prefer. In theory. In reality you just end up having to deal with all of them simultaneously to get your workflow going because you're using tools from different authors who all have their opinion of what "the right way" is. > As for being "one update away from breaking" this is an issue on any OS, at least with Linux you have the choice not to update or even roll back. Again, in theory but not in practice. Because of the repo/pacakge manager model that Linux systems insist on using, and because there's no such thing as a separation between 'system' and 'application', failure to update often means you are unable to use up-to-date software entirely. Well, unless you want to set up a build environment and compile your own version of that software, which is utterly ridiculous.
  - bzzzt 6y ago
    > you're using tools from different authors who all have their opinion of what "the right way" is. This is in fact an issue on any platform right now. > there's no such thing as a separation between 'system' and 'application', failure to update often means you are unable to use up-to-date software entirely. Isn't that why Flatpak was invented?
foepys 6y ago
> The groups competing for "the one right way" to do things. I don't want to be in a position where the developers of the currently most installed desktop environment GNOME are calling the shots. GNOME is removing instead of adding features left and right and as a power user I get treated like a toddler that's being told what's good for me.
- iso1210 6y ago
  I haven't used gnome since I tried version 2, and KDE was before then. I spent years on icewn, blackbox and fluxbox, but now I'm happy enough with xfce. I haven't customised things like colours on my user interface since the days on windows 3.1 though. Mouse focus, click to hover, highlight to copy, various keyboard shortcuts for sticking windows in the right place (top left, bottom right, full screen, half screen, etc) sure, but colours?
- bzzzt 6y ago
  So, macOS is too restrictive and Gnome should not be in a position where somebody 'calls the shots'. Seems like any way you see it you still have no control over your machine. May I suggest you write your own desktop environment?
  - foepys 6y ago
    No need to be snarky. KDE is perfectly fine and suits my needs. The window handling is amazing and I can fix sizes, positions, z-indeces, transparency, and tiling however I want without anybody telling me that I'm using it wrong. The same is valid for other free window managers like fluxbox or xfce.

Even Linux has its issues. The groups competing for "the one right way" to do things. And the ever present issue that you are one update away from breaking something.

loopz 6y ago

Mint have system restore shipped with installation. Other distros also let you rollback now.

nbzso 6y ago

I am aware of this. But at least there is no one with "Hands gathered for prayer" to babysit me with good intentions(by creating vertical integration and using slaves to maximise profit --- https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/20/apple-uighur/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/20/apple-u...). And there is always option to save image of working setup to restore from. This is personal decision and it is a result of slow and painful realisation of reality imposed by Apple ideas for UX over pro user base. And it is simple, it's a choice in experience, when I drive my car I know that I am in control and have responsibility. I just want this feeling to be present when I work - this is my computer and I have a right to control it. Apple idea of personal computer is to be a "licensed dongle" for software access. Yep, it is not exciting experience for me.

deadbunny 6y ago

Isn't that exactly the point? Multiple groups can develop their "right way" and you can pick and choose which way you prefer. As for being "one update away from breaking" this is an issue on any OS, at least with Linux you have the choice not to update or even roll back.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
> Isn't that exactly the point? Multiple groups can develop their "right way" and you can pick and choose which way you prefer. In theory. In reality you just end up having to deal with all of them simultaneously to get your workflow going because you're using tools from different authors who all have their opinion of what "the right way" is. > As for being "one update away from breaking" this is an issue on any OS, at least with Linux you have the choice not to update or even roll back. Again, in theory but not in practice. Because of the repo/pacakge manager model that Linux systems insist on using, and because there's no such thing as a separation between 'system' and 'application', failure to update often means you are unable to use up-to-date software entirely. Well, unless you want to set up a build environment and compile your own version of that software, which is utterly ridiculous.
- bzzzt 6y ago
  > you're using tools from different authors who all have their opinion of what "the right way" is. This is in fact an issue on any platform right now. > there's no such thing as a separation between 'system' and 'application', failure to update often means you are unable to use up-to-date software entirely. Isn't that why Flatpak was invented?

foepys 6y ago

> The groups competing for "the one right way" to do things. I don't want to be in a position where the developers of the currently most installed desktop environment GNOME are calling the shots. GNOME is removing instead of adding features left and right and as a power user I get treated like a toddler that's being told what's good for me.

iso1210 6y ago
I haven't used gnome since I tried version 2, and KDE was before then. I spent years on icewn, blackbox and fluxbox, but now I'm happy enough with xfce. I haven't customised things like colours on my user interface since the days on windows 3.1 though. Mouse focus, click to hover, highlight to copy, various keyboard shortcuts for sticking windows in the right place (top left, bottom right, full screen, half screen, etc) sure, but colours?
bzzzt 6y ago
So, macOS is too restrictive and Gnome should not be in a position where somebody 'calls the shots'. Seems like any way you see it you still have no control over your machine. May I suggest you write your own desktop environment?
- foepys 6y ago
  No need to be snarky. KDE is perfectly fine and suits my needs. The window handling is amazing and I can fix sizes, positions, z-indeces, transparency, and tiling however I want without anybody telling me that I'm using it wrong. The same is valid for other free window managers like fluxbox or xfce.