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Because I'm looking at real harm, not "what if..." harm. Google & Facebook have implemented the largest mass surveillance apparatus in the history of mankind. N

by blub 6y ago

Because I'm looking at real harm, not "what if..." harm. Google & Facebook have implemented the largest mass surveillance apparatus in the history of mankind. Not even in their wildest dreams could the STASI or KGB expect to be able to access the intimate thoughts, pictures and communication of pretty much everyone on the planet. You complaining about paying 99 bucks per year and comparing it with the above is seriously mind-bending. No wonder our privacy's so fucked...

echelon 6y ago
If you think Apple isn't tracking your every move and handing that information over to the government, then you're choosing your facts to support your favorite company. Apple is just as evil in tracking and even more evil in taking freedom away. I didn't say Google was blameless. Google is horrifically evil. You're just mad I'm also implicating Apple. You love Apple. And you love it enough to overlook the incredible harm they're doing. Stop loving a company that doesn't give a shit about anything but profit. The feelings and pleasure you derive is just Apple fitting to the gradient slopes of profit maximization within the market they've carved out. It's engineered, and you're falling for it. Use your device for what it is, and be happy in the capabilities it gives you, but be a good citizen to your fellow persons. Not a company. Don't overlook their grievances. Hope for a better, more equitable tomorrow so that everyone in our industry can thrive and can do so without being extractive. Edit: Downvotes from Apple fans making it further in the thread than those that overwhelmingly agree with my parent comments. Downvotes from those that disagree with "Hope for a better, more equitable tomorrow so that everyone in our industry can thrive and can do so without being extractive." Astonishing.
- filterfish 6y ago
  No down vote from me.
- toxik 6y ago
  This reads like something on /. fifteen years ago. The anti Apple crowd always was louder than the mythical Apple fanboys. The argument is not “did Apple create a walled garden and rule it like the actual Chinese Communist Party” because yes it did. The question is, are they alone in doing it, or just successful? I think the latter, you think the former it seems.
- blub 6y ago
  I've been carefully observing how privacy was worn down piece by piece for more than 10 years now and you come of as a bit clueless if you're putting Apple in the same bucket as Google. They're not saints, but they're playing in a different league. I don't have time to correct all your misconceptions: read about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism if you truly want to understand this topic. Also don't pretend to know what people feel just because they buy products from a company. It's ridiculous how you're claiming what I love when you don't even know me.

by blub 6y ago

echelon 6y ago

If you think Apple isn't tracking your every move and handing that information over to the government, then you're choosing your facts to support your favorite company. Apple is just as evil in tracking and even more evil in taking freedom away. I didn't say Google was blameless. Google is horrifically evil. You're just mad I'm also implicating Apple. You love Apple. And you love it enough to overlook the incredible harm they're doing. Stop loving a company that doesn't give a shit about anything but profit. The feelings and pleasure you derive is just Apple fitting to the gradient slopes of profit maximization within the market they've carved out. It's engineered, and you're falling for it. Use your device for what it is, and be happy in the capabilities it gives you, but be a good citizen to your fellow persons. Not a company. Don't overlook their grievances. Hope for a better, more equitable tomorrow so that everyone in our industry can thrive and can do so without being extractive. Edit: Downvotes from Apple fans making it further in the thread than those that overwhelmingly agree with my parent comments. Downvotes from those that disagree with "Hope for a better, more equitable tomorrow so that everyone in our industry can thrive and can do so without being extractive." Astonishing.

filterfish 6y ago
No down vote from me.
toxik 6y ago
This reads like something on /. fifteen years ago. The anti Apple crowd always was louder than the mythical Apple fanboys. The argument is not “did Apple create a walled garden and rule it like the actual Chinese Communist Party” because yes it did. The question is, are they alone in doing it, or just successful? I think the latter, you think the former it seems.
blub 6y ago
I've been carefully observing how privacy was worn down piece by piece for more than 10 years now and you come of as a bit clueless if you're putting Apple in the same bucket as Google. They're not saints, but they're playing in a different league. I don't have time to correct all your misconceptions: read about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism if you truly want to understand this topic. Also don't pretend to know what people feel just because they buy products from a company. It's ridiculous how you're claiming what I love when you don't even know me.