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just migrate to Linux.

medium_burrito 6y ago
That's way too high a bar. Linux for a personal computer is often a nightmare for professional programmers like me; for the average user it can be really miserable. Last time I used Linux as my primary environment a decade ago I ended up quitting after two years thanks to Pulse Audio and basically being able to play music 50% of the time. I think we are better off focusing on content generation tools- ie geocities, garageband, gimp, and software that is customizeable by the end user, even if they aren't a programmer- for example being able to skin the UI, or lay things out a certain way.
- zamadatix 6y ago
  Well I think that's just it - if you want everything to be perfect it's going to be very high bar. It shouldn't come as a surprise you can't have the simplicity and control of an Amiga and the functionality of a modern computer without setting the bar very high. It's not necessarily a failure of anything in the same way it's not a failure of space rocketry to be vastly different than how you could use a bike even though they are both transport technologies we put together.
- captn3m0 6y ago
  26.6% of developers in the StackOverflow Developer survey use Linux. (vs 45.8% Windows and 27.5% Mac). https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-developers-primary-operating-systems https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-de...
- loopz 6y ago
  This is a fair point. Pulseaudio should be purged.
- zarkov99 6y ago
  You are very wrong. Perhaps you were right once, but definitely not in 2020. Linux is, by far, the best environment for professional programmers, unless of course the programmers target the Mac or Windows exclusively.
wnoise 6y ago
> Linux is, considering what's going on with the major distributions, desktop environments and UI toolkits, seemingly heading the same way. Sure, pick your own window manager, see if we care - we've got client side decorations! Want to theme your GUI? Yeah, but not in our Snap packages you won't! Want to turn off cursor blinking? Mmmmyyeeaahhh, not too sure about that. Oh, you started a GUI file manager? Hey, enjoy the ten new folders we've littered your home directory with! They all start with capital letters: designed for typing convenience in a case sensitive file system.
- viraptor 6y ago
  Those are weird complaints when talking about lack of customisation. Snaps are not enforced - you can run all of that software without them. Terminals will have their own cursor blinking config - worst case change your terminal. File manager creates directories? Disable that, or if you can't, change the manager, or if you can't configure system to deny creating them, or compile your own version which doesn't do it. The options are all there. I get the complaint about the lack of configuration on popular systems. But you can't have it both ways and then complain that Linux doesn't expose the options you really want. Every person will have something they'd like to do and you can't realistically expose millions of options without killing usability - but if you really want to adjust something, and are willing to put in some effort, you can.
teddyh 6y ago
He did: https://datagubbe.se/subversive/ https://datagubbe.se/subversive/

That's way too high a bar. Linux for a personal computer is often a nightmare for professional programmers like me; for the average user it can be really miserable. Last time I used Linux as my primary environment a decade ago I ended up quitting after two years thanks to Pulse Audio and basically being able to play music 50% of the time. I think we are better off focusing on content generation tools- ie geocities, garageband, gimp, and software that is customizeable by the end user, even if they aren't a programmer- for example being able to skin the UI, or lay things out a certain way.

zamadatix 6y ago
Well I think that's just it - if you want everything to be perfect it's going to be very high bar. It shouldn't come as a surprise you can't have the simplicity and control of an Amiga and the functionality of a modern computer without setting the bar very high. It's not necessarily a failure of anything in the same way it's not a failure of space rocketry to be vastly different than how you could use a bike even though they are both transport technologies we put together.
captn3m0 6y ago
26.6% of developers in the StackOverflow Developer survey use Linux. (vs 45.8% Windows and 27.5% Mac). https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-developers-primary-operating-systems https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-de...
loopz 6y ago
This is a fair point. Pulseaudio should be purged.
zarkov99 6y ago
You are very wrong. Perhaps you were right once, but definitely not in 2020. Linux is, by far, the best environment for professional programmers, unless of course the programmers target the Mac or Windows exclusively.

wnoise 6y ago

> Linux is, considering what's going on with the major distributions, desktop environments and UI toolkits, seemingly heading the same way. Sure, pick your own window manager, see if we care - we've got client side decorations! Want to theme your GUI? Yeah, but not in our Snap packages you won't! Want to turn off cursor blinking? Mmmmyyeeaahhh, not too sure about that. Oh, you started a GUI file manager? Hey, enjoy the ten new folders we've littered your home directory with! They all start with capital letters: designed for typing convenience in a case sensitive file system.

viraptor 6y ago
Those are weird complaints when talking about lack of customisation. Snaps are not enforced - you can run all of that software without them. Terminals will have their own cursor blinking config - worst case change your terminal. File manager creates directories? Disable that, or if you can't, change the manager, or if you can't configure system to deny creating them, or compile your own version which doesn't do it. The options are all there. I get the complaint about the lack of configuration on popular systems. But you can't have it both ways and then complain that Linux doesn't expose the options you really want. Every person will have something they'd like to do and you can't realistically expose millions of options without killing usability - but if you really want to adjust something, and are willing to put in some effort, you can.

teddyh 6y ago

He did: https://datagubbe.se/subversive/ https://datagubbe.se/subversive/