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>I've been living with 16GB of RAM forever, so maybe I am used to fitting in that memory space... I avoid Electron based apps like the plague, and with being ab

>I've been living with 16GB of RAM forever, so maybe I am used to fitting in that memory space... I avoid Electron based apps like the plague, and with being able to run iPad/iOS apps on the M1, I've been able to cut down even further since things like Authy are way faster to launch when they aren't large Chrome based hogs. iOS apps on the Mac are a game changer for me. The UX isn't 100% perfect, but it sure is better than web apps, which are very often slow, resource intensive and kill your battery. I haven't touched the Twitter web app since I've installed the iOS/Catalyst app on my Mac. Even with its iOS-optimized user interface, the better performance of the iOS app makes it so much more enjoyable than the web version. I'm very much looking forward to seeing other iOS apps arrive on the Mac, to replace their web variants. There's really something to be said about how web developers have been killing the performance of their websites with their bloated frameworks or whatever. I know web apps will always be at a performance disadvantage compared to native apps, but the performance regression has gotten absurd. Using Reddit via the Apollo iOS app is a quick and buttery smooth experience, meanwhile the redesigned Reddit webpage is a laggy stuttering mess on my MacBook Pro.

lstamour 6y ago
Similarly, it’s a joy to use the Jira app for macOS which uses Catalyst to port their iPad app to macOS. Compared to how long it takes to load and use Jira on the web, it’s just a bit snappier and nice. The dark mode support is also appreciated, though aesthetics could still improve to be a bit more mac-native... and because of Jira’s design, it’s possible the app will always lag in functionality compared to the website. But still— progress! :)
- girvo 6y ago
  I wonder how it compares to the existing Mac native Jira app?
  - lstamour 6y ago
    The Jira Cloud iPad app does not appear in the App Store. Apps can opt out from the macOS App Store, and this is especially useful if there already is a macOS version. Why? Generally, any macOS version of an app -- even one like Jira which is nearly a straight port of the iOS app -- is 10x better than the iOS version. Running iOS apps on the M1 is a lot rougher around the edges compared to running Intel apps on the M1. I expect Apple will polish up how iOS apps run on macOS in future releases, if they maintain the feature in its current form.
- nicoburns 6y ago
  Are you serious? The JIRA app is by far the worst native mac app I've ever used. If their website is anything to go by then it's not the underlying technologies fault, but I found the JIRA mac app to be just as slow as the website.
  - lstamour 6y ago
    I'm serious, yes, it's better. I'm not going to say it's as good as other apps. I mean, if you're keeping a to-do list, better to do that in Apple Reminders -- especially now that they've added that new shared list feature and assigning todos. But if you have to put up with Jira, then yes, I personally find the Jira app to be faster than the website. It reminds me why I like apps as much (or more) than websites. I've also run Jira on a server before, and if you optimize the Java runtime's settings and over-provision, you can get a pretty fast Jira instance going. It's just most folks rarely touch the default configurations, which are terrible, or don't shell out for SSDs when running it. And the cloud version ... well, it seems a bit under-provisioned if you ask me. Jira doesn't appear to be written well enough to take full advantage of the cloud, yet.
kitsunesoba 6y ago
> iOS apps on the Mac are a game changer for me. The UX isn't 100% perfect, but it sure is better than web apps, which are very often slow, resource intensive and kill your battery. I haven't touched the Twitter web app since I've installed the iOS/Catalyst app on my Mac. Even with its iOS-optimized user interface, the better performance of the iOS app makes it so much more enjoyable than the web version. Totally agree, particularly for small utility apps and the like. Most good iOS apps launch instantly and sip power even on comparatively limited iPhone and iPad batteries, so the impact they have on a Macbook battery should be close to nothing. Night and day compared to electron stuff.

lstamour 6y ago

Similarly, it’s a joy to use the Jira app for macOS which uses Catalyst to port their iPad app to macOS. Compared to how long it takes to load and use Jira on the web, it’s just a bit snappier and nice. The dark mode support is also appreciated, though aesthetics could still improve to be a bit more mac-native... and because of Jira’s design, it’s possible the app will always lag in functionality compared to the website. But still— progress! :)

girvo 6y ago
I wonder how it compares to the existing Mac native Jira app?
- lstamour 6y ago
  The Jira Cloud iPad app does not appear in the App Store. Apps can opt out from the macOS App Store, and this is especially useful if there already is a macOS version. Why? Generally, any macOS version of an app -- even one like Jira which is nearly a straight port of the iOS app -- is 10x better than the iOS version. Running iOS apps on the M1 is a lot rougher around the edges compared to running Intel apps on the M1. I expect Apple will polish up how iOS apps run on macOS in future releases, if they maintain the feature in its current form.
nicoburns 6y ago
Are you serious? The JIRA app is by far the worst native mac app I've ever used. If their website is anything to go by then it's not the underlying technologies fault, but I found the JIRA mac app to be just as slow as the website.
- lstamour 6y ago
  I'm serious, yes, it's better. I'm not going to say it's as good as other apps. I mean, if you're keeping a to-do list, better to do that in Apple Reminders -- especially now that they've added that new shared list feature and assigning todos. But if you have to put up with Jira, then yes, I personally find the Jira app to be faster than the website. It reminds me why I like apps as much (or more) than websites. I've also run Jira on a server before, and if you optimize the Java runtime's settings and over-provision, you can get a pretty fast Jira instance going. It's just most folks rarely touch the default configurations, which are terrible, or don't shell out for SSDs when running it. And the cloud version ... well, it seems a bit under-provisioned if you ask me. Jira doesn't appear to be written well enough to take full advantage of the cloud, yet.

kitsunesoba 6y ago

> iOS apps on the Mac are a game changer for me. The UX isn't 100% perfect, but it sure is better than web apps, which are very often slow, resource intensive and kill your battery. I haven't touched the Twitter web app since I've installed the iOS/Catalyst app on my Mac. Even with its iOS-optimized user interface, the better performance of the iOS app makes it so much more enjoyable than the web version. Totally agree, particularly for small utility apps and the like. Most good iOS apps launch instantly and sip power even on comparatively limited iPhone and iPad batteries, so the impact they have on a Macbook battery should be close to nothing. Night and day compared to electron stuff.