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Are you from the US? If so do you agree with US gun culture which "2017, [...] the [the CDC's] National Center for Health Statistics reports that gun deaths rea
by throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
Are you from the US? If so do you agree with US gun culture which "2017, [...] the [the CDC's] National Center for Health Statistics reports that gun deaths reached their highest level since 1968, with 39,773 deaths by firearm" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_Sta...)
One person paralysed by a contaminant (not heroin itself) = bad, but tens of thousands of deaths otherwise = ok.
I agree with laws and social restrictions if they are good ones that reflect the proportionate level of harm.
But you know this will go nowhere, unlikely you'll reply but this'll get downvoted because people aren't willing to face up to maybe being wrong.
Edit: none of this is about drugs or guns. It's about common sense and thinking for yourself. Drugs particularly are where aberrations in these show up.
- morelisp 6y agoThis is a weird comparison. Most Americans both reject casual heroin use and support additional measures restricting gun sales.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoI struggle to see the weirdness. Whether or not what you say is true, and actually I suspect it is, that doesn't change the massive death discrepancy I gave.
- morelisp 6y agoIt’s weird because people agree both are bad. There is no aberration.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoThings are bad not in absolutes, which you are suggesting, but in degree. Contrary to your flat statement I do not agree that taking heroin is bad, it only becomes bad when it affects other people negatively.
- nkrisc 6y agoAnd guns aren't bad unless you kill someone with one. And yet I'm still in favor of restrictions on both.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoAnd on the whole, I'd strongly tend to agree.
- nkrisc 6y agoFor what it's worth, restrictions on guns are one of those restrictions I'm OK with. Why do you think I'm OK with the outrageous number of gun deaths we have? Besides this is about heroin.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoThe discussion is about proportionality. > Why do you think I'm OK with the outrageous number of gun deaths we have? I'm not but guns tend to be used to kill other people much more than drugs can be used to kill other people. So I'm more ok with people taking drugs. But not fully ok, the issue's too complex. > Besides this is about heroin. It's not. The damage done was most likely from a contaminant (see my note about MPTP) so not heroin. And if it was heroin it's still not about heroin because I said, exactly in the post you replied to, "Edit: none of this is about drugs or guns. It's about common sense and thinking for yourself." What I feel like I'm getting is kneejerk unthinking reactions from anti-drugs people. I may be wrong.