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The privacy policy starts with "We take your privacy very seriously", which coming from Google, is kind of funny. A bit like sitting on the phone in a queue for

The privacy policy starts with "We take your privacy very seriously", which coming from Google, is kind of funny. A bit like sitting on the phone in a queue for 2 hours and hearing an automated voice saying "We care about customer service!" repeatedly. The "Google does not use any personal information collected through the Public DNS service to target ads" sentence is oddly specific as well. Why is it only mentioning "targeted ads" and not "for any sort of purposed"? Why is it collected if you're not using it? What does "abuse" really mean in this context, and what does "addressing" it entail? Only the big guys at Google knows. Finally, the holy privacy policy of Google can change at any time. "We change this Privacy Policy from time to time. We will not reduce your rights under this Privacy Policy without your explicit consent." it says, which makes sense if you're a Google user. What about me, who don't have a Google account? How do I, tell this public DNS service that I don't agree to the new privacy policy? Right, I can't, you assume I'm fine with it. I think we're long past the point of having to prove that various tech companies don't care about people's privacy. The burden of proof that you're actively taking steps to preserve it is on you, as you've already burned all the goodwill you had from the internet crowd.

neuromanser 6y ago
> The privacy policy starts with "We take your privacy very seriously", which coming from Google, is kind of funny. "We take your privacy, very seriously"
capableweb 6y ago
I just realized now in after hand that the statement "Google does not use any personal information collected through the Public DNS service to target ads" confirms that they ARE collecting personal information from the DNS service, they are just not using it for targeting ads. Why are they collecting personal information in the first place, for a public DNS service that is supposedly built for "faster and safer DNS infrastructure"? Collecting no personal data would certainly be the fastest and safest for me as a user.
- jeffbee 6y ago
  They keep peer IP addresses in their temporary debug logs, as explained in the privacy policy.
- delroth 6y ago
  You cannot run any internet service without collecting personal information. IP addresses are personal data per GDPR, and by serving TCP connections you are collecting IP addresses of your clients. In the case of DNS, your DNS query is also likely personal data in some cases, and it definitely is personal data when linked to a timestamp and an IP address. There is a huge distinction to be made in collecting vs. storing. The 8888 privacy policy also calls out that some personal information is stored, for how long, and for what purpose. But most people who claim that they're not collecting personal information are just not being accurate in their privacy statements. Disclaimer: googler, opinion is my own and not my employer's.
  - capableweb 6y ago
    > You cannot run any internet service without collecting personal information What the hell are you talking about?! Of course you can, why wouldn't you be able to? You think the internet and the web started out with having everyone automatically collecting everyones personal information? > Disclaimer: googler Aha, yeaaaah, now it makes sense that you don't think it's possible to do anything else but to collect personal data. While the opinion is your own, it's pretty obvious what its been influenced by.
    - LocalH 6y ago
      You didn't read the sentence after your first quote, apparently. They went on to mention how IP address is considered personal information under most modern data protection law. You took the opportunity to make a personal attack on the poster based on their place of employment.
      - capableweb 6y ago
        Why would I have to continue reading the comment when the first and most basic argument they make is factually incorrect? "You cannot run any internet service without collecting personal information" is not true, you can absolutely run services on the internet that collects and/or stores 0 personal data. That they don't know how to, is besides the point, but that doesn't make it impossible, it just means they don't know how to.

neuromanser 6y ago

> The privacy policy starts with "We take your privacy very seriously", which coming from Google, is kind of funny. "We take your privacy, very seriously"

capableweb 6y ago

I just realized now in after hand that the statement "Google does not use any personal information collected through the Public DNS service to target ads" confirms that they ARE collecting personal information from the DNS service, they are just not using it for targeting ads. Why are they collecting personal information in the first place, for a public DNS service that is supposedly built for "faster and safer DNS infrastructure"? Collecting no personal data would certainly be the fastest and safest for me as a user.

jeffbee 6y ago
They keep peer IP addresses in their temporary debug logs, as explained in the privacy policy.
delroth 6y ago
You cannot run any internet service without collecting personal information. IP addresses are personal data per GDPR, and by serving TCP connections you are collecting IP addresses of your clients. In the case of DNS, your DNS query is also likely personal data in some cases, and it definitely is personal data when linked to a timestamp and an IP address. There is a huge distinction to be made in collecting vs. storing. The 8888 privacy policy also calls out that some personal information is stored, for how long, and for what purpose. But most people who claim that they're not collecting personal information are just not being accurate in their privacy statements. Disclaimer: googler, opinion is my own and not my employer's.
- capableweb 6y ago
  > You cannot run any internet service without collecting personal information What the hell are you talking about?! Of course you can, why wouldn't you be able to? You think the internet and the web started out with having everyone automatically collecting everyones personal information? > Disclaimer: googler Aha, yeaaaah, now it makes sense that you don't think it's possible to do anything else but to collect personal data. While the opinion is your own, it's pretty obvious what its been influenced by.
  - LocalH 6y ago
    You didn't read the sentence after your first quote, apparently. They went on to mention how IP address is considered personal information under most modern data protection law. You took the opportunity to make a personal attack on the poster based on their place of employment.
    - capableweb 6y ago
      Why would I have to continue reading the comment when the first and most basic argument they make is factually incorrect? "You cannot run any internet service without collecting personal information" is not true, you can absolutely run services on the internet that collects and/or stores 0 personal data. That they don't know how to, is besides the point, but that doesn't make it impossible, it just means they don't know how to.