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This is not necessarily because Switzerland is high-tech friendly. There is an absolutely massive pharma industry in the country. Lots of innovation comes from

by eps 6y ago

This is not necessarily because Switzerland is high-tech friendly. There is an absolutely massive pharma industry in the country. Lots of innovation comes from there.

Rochus 6y ago
And you really don't think pharma qualifies as high-tech? Check e.g. for the OECD definition.
- disown 6y ago
  We are talking about Silicon Valley though. A specific kind of "high-tech". Regardless of what the OECD definition is, we are talking about computers/software/internet/etc.
  - Rochus 6y ago
    No, it's about whether Switzerland is "Not much for developers who are looking for interesting challenges". Maybe you know that life science is one of the big computer, software and internet users and contributors; a lot of ground breaking machine learning developments happens in life science today.
    - disown 6y ago
      > No, it's about whether Switzerland is "Not much for developers who are looking for interesting challenges" "Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers..." > Maybe you know that life science is one of the big computer, software and internet users and contributors; a lot of ground breaking machine learning developments happens in life science today. Great. That's tech moving into life sciences, like tech is moving into every aspect of society. But that doesn't make life sciences a "tech field". The news industry is bringing in tech too. Doesn't make the news industry a tech field. But whatever I'm happy that tech is making inroads in switzerland.
      - Rochus 6y ago
        You didn't read the article, did you? The original title is "Is Switzerland better than Silicon Valley for software developers?" and it is about the Swiss tech scene and the demand and attractiveness for developers. It e.g. says "according to The State of European Tech 2019 study, Switzerland is maintaining a steady pace to become European leading technology country." It then refers to the article "Here’s why Switzerland is a world innovation leader" (https://www.wearedevelopers.com/blog/heres-why-switzerland-is-a-world-innovation-leader https://www.wearedevelopers.com/blog/heres-why-switzerland-i...). > that doesn't make life sciences a "tech field" Where does all this wisdom come from?
- eps 6y ago
  The context of the GP comments and the whole discussion, it's the "high-tech" in an IT sense of the term. Hence my remark. The high innovation ranking of Switzerland is most certainly not due to its computer/IT-related innovation. That's the point.
  - Rochus 6y ago
    > is most certainly So you're just assuming.
    - eps 6y ago
      You are switching the subject.
      - Rochus 6y ago
        No. You are. If you have really read the referenced article you must have noticed that its title is "Is Switzerland better than Silicon Valley for software developers?" (which has a rather different meaning than the title of this post, but maybe attracts less clicks) and it is about the Swiss tech scene and the demand and attractiveness for developers. I've answered to the unfounded reproach that Switzerland was "Not much for developers who are looking for interesting challenges". You then claimed that pharma wasn't high-tech, which is not true and overlooks the fact that a growing number of computer scientists work for life science. From my personal experience I can tell you that there are extremely interesting challenges, and a lot of ground breaking machine learning developments happen there today. It's not enough to just quickly read the headline and then claim some stuff without any basis. Are you Swiss? Do you work in Switzerland? Do you have any relevant experience supporting your claims?

by eps 6y ago

This is not necessarily because Switzerland is high-tech friendly. There is an absolutely massive pharma industry in the country. Lots of innovation comes from there.

Rochus 6y ago

And you really don't think pharma qualifies as high-tech? Check e.g. for the OECD definition.

disown 6y ago
We are talking about Silicon Valley though. A specific kind of "high-tech". Regardless of what the OECD definition is, we are talking about computers/software/internet/etc.
- Rochus 6y ago
  No, it's about whether Switzerland is "Not much for developers who are looking for interesting challenges". Maybe you know that life science is one of the big computer, software and internet users and contributors; a lot of ground breaking machine learning developments happens in life science today.
  - disown 6y ago
    > No, it's about whether Switzerland is "Not much for developers who are looking for interesting challenges" "Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers..." > Maybe you know that life science is one of the big computer, software and internet users and contributors; a lot of ground breaking machine learning developments happens in life science today. Great. That's tech moving into life sciences, like tech is moving into every aspect of society. But that doesn't make life sciences a "tech field". The news industry is bringing in tech too. Doesn't make the news industry a tech field. But whatever I'm happy that tech is making inroads in switzerland.
    - Rochus 6y ago
      You didn't read the article, did you? The original title is "Is Switzerland better than Silicon Valley for software developers?" and it is about the Swiss tech scene and the demand and attractiveness for developers. It e.g. says "according to The State of European Tech 2019 study, Switzerland is maintaining a steady pace to become European leading technology country." It then refers to the article "Here’s why Switzerland is a world innovation leader" (https://www.wearedevelopers.com/blog/heres-why-switzerland-is-a-world-innovation-leader https://www.wearedevelopers.com/blog/heres-why-switzerland-i...). > that doesn't make life sciences a "tech field" Where does all this wisdom come from?
eps 6y ago
The context of the GP comments and the whole discussion, it's the "high-tech" in an IT sense of the term. Hence my remark. The high innovation ranking of Switzerland is most certainly not due to its computer/IT-related innovation. That's the point.
- Rochus 6y ago
  > is most certainly So you're just assuming.
  - eps 6y ago
    You are switching the subject.
    - Rochus 6y ago
      No. You are. If you have really read the referenced article you must have noticed that its title is "Is Switzerland better than Silicon Valley for software developers?" (which has a rather different meaning than the title of this post, but maybe attracts less clicks) and it is about the Swiss tech scene and the demand and attractiveness for developers. I've answered to the unfounded reproach that Switzerland was "Not much for developers who are looking for interesting challenges". You then claimed that pharma wasn't high-tech, which is not true and overlooks the fact that a growing number of computer scientists work for life science. From my personal experience I can tell you that there are extremely interesting challenges, and a lot of ground breaking machine learning developments happen there today. It's not enough to just quickly read the headline and then claim some stuff without any basis. Are you Swiss? Do you work in Switzerland? Do you have any relevant experience supporting your claims?