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Holy shit that’s basically mass murder.

by austhrow743 6y ago

te_chris 6y ago
Tbf, it was in summer so a lot of outdoor dining options. But yes, overall, dumb.
- riffraff 6y ago
  That partially justifies discounts for eating on premises, but I cannot imagine why those would not apply for take away. Trying to protect waiters/esses jobs, maybe?
  - pjc50 6y ago
    Money for giant pub chain JD Wetherspoon owned by Tory Brexit propagandist, perhaps.
  - DerDangDerDang 6y ago
    Exactly that, nominally. Though pjc50’s comment looks pretty convincing given gov.uk could have used the same money to make it easier for businesses to restructure to offer delivery...
bluescrn 6y ago
When Covid is over, are we still going to talk about ‘murdering grandparents’ by visiting them during seasonal flu season? (Not comparing the two diseases, but wondering where grim Covid attitudes will persist)
- socialdemocrat 6y ago
  The chance of dying from the seasonal flu or getting permanent health damage is significantly less. Counted like COVID19 there are only about 15 000 who die from Seasonal Flu in the US. Compare that to the 250 000 or so dead despite massive efforts to contain COVID19.
  - makomk 6y ago
    Every single attempt to count flu deaths "like Covid-19" that I've come across compares apples to oranges in a way that downplays the number of flu deaths. There are some really critical gotchas that make apparently like-for-like comparisons misleading. For a start, Covid-19 testing is much more widespread than flu testing. The UK has been testing everyone hospitalized for any reason for Covid, which they don't do for flu, and I think other Western countries are broadly similar. The flu tests are also less sensitive. Not only that, but because flu tends to kill more via secondary bacterial pneumonia, apparently patients don't necessarily have enough influenza virus left to test positive by the time they're hospitalized, whereas Covid causes pneumonia directly. Also, there's strong statistical evidence that flu causes heart attacks which aren't recorded as influenza deaths on things like death certificates. The headline CDC, etc stats take all this into account to estimate the number of people who died as a result of flu, in the sense that they'd have lived if they weren't infected. The "counted like Covid-19" stats generally don't count these as flu deaths, whilst comparing with stats that count almost anyone who died after being infected with Covid-19 as a Covid-19 death regardless of whether it was directly caused by Covid in this sense. They really don't compare like with like.
pmachinery 6y ago
From the regime which oversaw the deaths of thousands of people in 'care homes' by moving Covid-19 infected hospital patients into care homes, reducing testing in care homes as the plague exploded in March, advising against mask use for care home staff, and that "if an employee becomes unwell and believe they have been exposed to COVID-19 [...] normal practice should continue".[0] Yes, the same regime that notoriously made the UK a sick joke around the world after openly announcing its preferred strategy of infecting as much of the population as possible with a deadly plague. [0] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-for-social-or-community-care-and-residential-settings-on-covid-19/guidance-for-social-or-community-care-and-residential-settings-on-covid-19#guidance-on-facemasks https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-for-soci...

Holy shit that’s basically mass murder.

te_chris 6y ago

Tbf, it was in summer so a lot of outdoor dining options. But yes, overall, dumb.

riffraff 6y ago
That partially justifies discounts for eating on premises, but I cannot imagine why those would not apply for take away. Trying to protect waiters/esses jobs, maybe?
- pjc50 6y ago
  Money for giant pub chain JD Wetherspoon owned by Tory Brexit propagandist, perhaps.
- DerDangDerDang 6y ago
  Exactly that, nominally. Though pjc50’s comment looks pretty convincing given gov.uk could have used the same money to make it easier for businesses to restructure to offer delivery...

bluescrn 6y ago

When Covid is over, are we still going to talk about ‘murdering grandparents’ by visiting them during seasonal flu season? (Not comparing the two diseases, but wondering where grim Covid attitudes will persist)

socialdemocrat 6y ago
The chance of dying from the seasonal flu or getting permanent health damage is significantly less. Counted like COVID19 there are only about 15 000 who die from Seasonal Flu in the US. Compare that to the 250 000 or so dead despite massive efforts to contain COVID19.
- makomk 6y ago
  Every single attempt to count flu deaths "like Covid-19" that I've come across compares apples to oranges in a way that downplays the number of flu deaths. There are some really critical gotchas that make apparently like-for-like comparisons misleading. For a start, Covid-19 testing is much more widespread than flu testing. The UK has been testing everyone hospitalized for any reason for Covid, which they don't do for flu, and I think other Western countries are broadly similar. The flu tests are also less sensitive. Not only that, but because flu tends to kill more via secondary bacterial pneumonia, apparently patients don't necessarily have enough influenza virus left to test positive by the time they're hospitalized, whereas Covid causes pneumonia directly. Also, there's strong statistical evidence that flu causes heart attacks which aren't recorded as influenza deaths on things like death certificates. The headline CDC, etc stats take all this into account to estimate the number of people who died as a result of flu, in the sense that they'd have lived if they weren't infected. The "counted like Covid-19" stats generally don't count these as flu deaths, whilst comparing with stats that count almost anyone who died after being infected with Covid-19 as a Covid-19 death regardless of whether it was directly caused by Covid in this sense. They really don't compare like with like.

pmachinery 6y ago

From the regime which oversaw the deaths of thousands of people in 'care homes' by moving Covid-19 infected hospital patients into care homes, reducing testing in care homes as the plague exploded in March, advising against mask use for care home staff, and that "if an employee becomes unwell and believe they have been exposed to COVID-19 [...] normal practice should continue".[0] Yes, the same regime that notoriously made the UK a sick joke around the world after openly announcing its preferred strategy of infecting as much of the population as possible with a deadly plague. [0] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-for-social-or-community-care-and-residential-settings-on-covid-19/guidance-for-social-or-community-care-and-residential-settings-on-covid-19#guidance-on-facemasks https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-for-soci...