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Spaces where bicycles have right of way and spaces where bicycles are permitted to tread gingerly around other, higher-priority users are completely different t

Spaces where bicycles have right of way and spaces where bicycles are permitted to tread gingerly around other, higher-priority users are completely different things. Calling such a pedestrian path a bike path is like calling a bus lane or a truck loading zone with sharrows in it a bike lane.

mulmen 6y ago
You’re ignoring reality. There is a dedicated bike path that I ride every day with painted bicycles on the path and a separate sidewalk next to it with grass between. There are always people walking on the bike path. This is even understandable with covid, people are trying to keep their distance. There are also people on ebikes going faster than everyone, swerving between the bike path and the sidewalk.
- closeparen 6y ago
  It’s unfortunate that people don’t respect bike paths where you live, and I hope it improves. The dedicated cycling spaces where I live see only occasional intruders and, while I would never hit one, neither do I feel obligated to make them feel welcome where they aren’t.
  - mulmen 6y ago
    Yes, it is unfortunate. But my city is very bicycle friendly so there is a lot to be thankful for. Also even with pedestrians on the bike paths everything mostly works out fine. Assuming speeds are human powered. I am optimistic that if we embrace ebikes as motorcycles and advertise their ability to keep up with and even get around traffic we can enjoy the benefits provided to the rest of the high density world. Amercian cities are incredibly wasteful with space. Single individuals in cars, it’s ridiculous. In Asia I have seen mothers with children on scooters. Everyone rides a motorcycle. We need that in our cities and I think ebikes can help get us there.
    - closeparen 6y ago
      In 49 states motorcycles are required to sit in traffic, not go around it. In all 50 states motorcycles are required to consume the same parking footprint as SUVs. I think ebike adoption depends on the ability to use bike lanes and bike racks, both of which would go away under a motorcycle designation, so I can't agree. Same goal though.
      - mulmen 6y ago
        In my state motorcycles can share parking spaces. That’s covered in the class. Education is critical to responsibly operate a motor vehicle. Lane filtering laws need to change, that’s my point. I say we can get there with more people on electric motorcycles. There’s obvious demand, the problem is people who ride electric motorcycles on bike paths. They’re giving ebikes a bad name. This could be our generation’s “You meet the nicest people on a Honda.” I have zero confidence in anything changing though. The only people more insufferable than car drivers are cyclists. Trying to have a conversation with anyone about this is like debating politics at thanksgiving.

mulmen 6y ago

You’re ignoring reality. There is a dedicated bike path that I ride every day with painted bicycles on the path and a separate sidewalk next to it with grass between. There are always people walking on the bike path. This is even understandable with covid, people are trying to keep their distance. There are also people on ebikes going faster than everyone, swerving between the bike path and the sidewalk.

closeparen 6y ago
It’s unfortunate that people don’t respect bike paths where you live, and I hope it improves. The dedicated cycling spaces where I live see only occasional intruders and, while I would never hit one, neither do I feel obligated to make them feel welcome where they aren’t.
- mulmen 6y ago
  Yes, it is unfortunate. But my city is very bicycle friendly so there is a lot to be thankful for. Also even with pedestrians on the bike paths everything mostly works out fine. Assuming speeds are human powered. I am optimistic that if we embrace ebikes as motorcycles and advertise their ability to keep up with and even get around traffic we can enjoy the benefits provided to the rest of the high density world. Amercian cities are incredibly wasteful with space. Single individuals in cars, it’s ridiculous. In Asia I have seen mothers with children on scooters. Everyone rides a motorcycle. We need that in our cities and I think ebikes can help get us there.
  - closeparen 6y ago
    In 49 states motorcycles are required to sit in traffic, not go around it. In all 50 states motorcycles are required to consume the same parking footprint as SUVs. I think ebike adoption depends on the ability to use bike lanes and bike racks, both of which would go away under a motorcycle designation, so I can't agree. Same goal though.
    - mulmen 6y ago
      In my state motorcycles can share parking spaces. That’s covered in the class. Education is critical to responsibly operate a motor vehicle. Lane filtering laws need to change, that’s my point. I say we can get there with more people on electric motorcycles. There’s obvious demand, the problem is people who ride electric motorcycles on bike paths. They’re giving ebikes a bad name. This could be our generation’s “You meet the nicest people on a Honda.” I have zero confidence in anything changing though. The only people more insufferable than car drivers are cyclists. Trying to have a conversation with anyone about this is like debating politics at thanksgiving.