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What sticks out to me in your comment is that in spite of all your nice words about their culture, the nicest/best people you worked with still left for other c

What sticks out to me in your comment is that in spite of all your nice words about their culture, the nicest/best people you worked with still left for other companies. I suspect it was probably a 20% pay raise that convinced them to.

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dvt 6y ago
I left to do my own startup -- which will, (un)fortunately, probably always be my end-game :) and in the months following my departure, the company really did take a cultural hit (after significant layoffs), so a lot of good folks left.
ljlolel 6y ago
to be fair, with FB it was probably more like 50 or over 100% pay raise
asveikau 6y ago
I have no knowledge of either company mentioned, but sometimes people leave and it's not personal, especially with the passage of time. Although, reading that comment again, 2015-2017 was not that long ago.
baccheion 6y ago
A better work environment doesn't have any effect on tenure. Only the extremes make a difference. That is, lower when extremely bad and a bit longer when extremely good. According to the BLS, median tenure is 2.x years for those 25-34. For those 35-44, it's 4.x years. Keeps going up with age, peaking at 10.x years starting in the 50s. Not much seems to change it in a relevant way, maybe another many companies are blah in this regard: not worth the money/time/effort. Just mumble some BS to look good to the world, then repeat as the same dead company. The BS isn't even mumbled to recruit, as it also doesn't have any effect there. The only ones in a position to be affected by such marketing are new grads, a group typically viewed as worthless and that have to take what they get. It's all just air in the winds.
- ftio 6y ago
  I don’t doubt what you’re saying, but can you link to a source on this? Highly relevant to some work I’m considering, and I’ve been looking for additional data on this for a bit.
- dylan604 6y ago
  That's interesting. The first job I had starting in college was a 7 year stint. I started in one of the entry level jobs, but the company had lots of upward positions and they liked to hire from within. The second job I had was another 7 year stint. It wasn't until after that before my resume started to have those shorter durations at various places.
rtx 6y ago
If you look it from a different angle, the culture allowed Edmunds access to talent who were motivated enough to reach these bigger companies.

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dvt 6y ago

I left to do my own startup -- which will, (un)fortunately, probably always be my end-game :) and in the months following my departure, the company really did take a cultural hit (after significant layoffs), so a lot of good folks left.

ljlolel 6y ago

to be fair, with FB it was probably more like 50 or over 100% pay raise

asveikau 6y ago

I have no knowledge of either company mentioned, but sometimes people leave and it's not personal, especially with the passage of time. Although, reading that comment again, 2015-2017 was not that long ago.

baccheion 6y ago

A better work environment doesn't have any effect on tenure. Only the extremes make a difference. That is, lower when extremely bad and a bit longer when extremely good. According to the BLS, median tenure is 2.x years for those 25-34. For those 35-44, it's 4.x years. Keeps going up with age, peaking at 10.x years starting in the 50s. Not much seems to change it in a relevant way, maybe another many companies are blah in this regard: not worth the money/time/effort. Just mumble some BS to look good to the world, then repeat as the same dead company. The BS isn't even mumbled to recruit, as it also doesn't have any effect there. The only ones in a position to be affected by such marketing are new grads, a group typically viewed as worthless and that have to take what they get. It's all just air in the winds.

ftio 6y ago
I don’t doubt what you’re saying, but can you link to a source on this? Highly relevant to some work I’m considering, and I’ve been looking for additional data on this for a bit.
dylan604 6y ago
That's interesting. The first job I had starting in college was a 7 year stint. I started in one of the entry level jobs, but the company had lots of upward positions and they liked to hire from within. The second job I had was another 7 year stint. It wasn't until after that before my resume started to have those shorter durations at various places.

rtx 6y ago

If you look it from a different angle, the culture allowed Edmunds access to talent who were motivated enough to reach these bigger companies.