The unconventional independent minded people on HN are the people who are banned and voted down. While this group of people includes individual with new ideas,

The unconventional independent minded people on HN are the people who are banned and voted down. While this group of people includes individual with new ideas, it also includes flat earthers. The same emotional confidence that allows you to have revolutionary ideas is the same one that allows you to be a flat earther. If you posted your idea on HN and you find that the idea is voted up by a lot? It means a lot of people agree with you, the thought is therefore not independent or unconventional. Does your post get voted down? Well it's pretty much by definition a very independent idea. In general, unconventional independent minded people fight an uphill battle.