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100% agree. I saw some of the shit posted about this on Cryptocurrency forums when Coinbase posted their weird tirade about wanting to be "neutral and apolitica

100% agree. I saw some of the shit posted about this on Cryptocurrency forums when Coinbase posted their weird tirade about wanting to be "neutral and apolitical" with regards to social justice and a few days ago about how everything is a lie as they tried to pre-empt this article. It all feels of gaslighting and has a shit ton of people buying into it. At the end of the day, the best thing for Coinbase employees to do is to jump ship to a competitor (I for one, am happy to give a referral to any Coinbase employee who is leaving due to all this) - but absolutely vile that they would try to buy-out all POC in the company.

baryphonic 6y ago
> At the end of the day, the best thing for Coinbase employees to do is to jump ship to a competitor (I for one, am happy to give a referral to any Coinbase employee who is leaving due to all this) - but absolutely vile that they would try to buy-out all POC in the company. What makes you think POC are equivalent with woke activists? That seems a bit like stereotyping to me. It also seems to contradict actual data.[1] While most black Americans agree that racial issues are still serious problems, they tend not to endorse the extreme progressive interpretations and policy recommendations. If I were to guess, tech workers are much more likely to be progressive activists than workers in most other industries. This includes the (shamefully small) number of black tech workers as well. But at the same time, almost all of the activists are white. [1] see appendix 1.1.1 https://hiddentribes.us/pdf/hidden_tribes_report.pdf https://hiddentribes.us/pdf/hidden_tribes_report.pdf
- i-write-comment 6y ago
  This comment is a good example of an insidious trend that has existed throughout America's history, which tries to offload any agitation against racial discrimination onto white outsiders. In the past, race riots and protests were often blamed on Northern abolitionists, communists and Jews, basically "white agitators who aren't from here". You see this same trend today, when protests are blamed on Soros-paid white agitators from "out of state" and Antifa. It's intended to mollify any concerns of well-meaning whites that POC might actually really be upset with racial discrimination, and actually want significant change beyond superficial proposals.
  - baryphonic 6y ago
    > It's intended to mollify any concerns of well-meaning whites that POC might actually really be upset with racial discrimination, and actually want significant change beyond superficial proposals. First, you have no idea of my intent, because I didn't tell you. Second, what you allege to be my intent is not my intent. Third, conceding for the sake of argument that you were right about my intent, why is it that the measured facts totally contradict your narrative, i.e. those who want radical change appear to be overwhelmingly white and particularly non-black? Are you one of those who think logic and data are tools of the white oppressor?
    - i-write-comment 6y ago
      Support for "defund the police", both the harsh slogan and the actual policy of reallocating some funding to social services, is dramatically higher among POC than whites so I don't think your analysis that "those who want radical change appear to be overwhelmingly white and particularly non-black" is correct. https://morningconsult.com/2020/06/17/defund-the-police-community-programs-polling/ https://morningconsult.com/2020/06/17/defund-the-police-comm...
      - baryphonic 6y ago
        Framing in these types of polls is incredibly important (indeed, I found two others from around the same time as yours, and all were fairly different from one another in their conclusions[1][2]). If you ask people whether they want the police presence in their communities to stay the same or increase, large majorities agree. Only 19% of black Americans want police presence to decrease.[3] And yet none of this is inconsistent. If the problems in predominantly non-white urban areas are at least in part crime problems that the police aren't solving, it makes sense for those citizens to want to take money from the police, whom they perceive to not be doing their jobs. At the same time, these same people probably would prefer the police to just do their jobs in the first place. [1]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/64-americans-oppose-defund-police-movement-key-goals/story?id=71202300 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/64-americans-oppose-defund-p... [2]https://news.gallup.com/poll/315962/americans-say-policing-needs-major-changes.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/315962/americans-say-policing-n... [3]https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-r...
- joijoiwejrr 6y ago
  > What makes you think POC are equivalent with woke activists? It's actually the opposite of the truth; "woke" activists/SJWs/whatever you want to call them are disproportionately white.
CryptoPunk 6y ago
All I see is you not finding it conceivable that someone could not think like you do, and think that every organization should be committed to your social causes, and also be a decent person who believes in fairness and justice for all. Hence the baseless personal attacks.

baryphonic 6y ago

> At the end of the day, the best thing for Coinbase employees to do is to jump ship to a competitor (I for one, am happy to give a referral to any Coinbase employee who is leaving due to all this) - but absolutely vile that they would try to buy-out all POC in the company. What makes you think POC are equivalent with woke activists? That seems a bit like stereotyping to me. It also seems to contradict actual data.[1] While most black Americans agree that racial issues are still serious problems, they tend not to endorse the extreme progressive interpretations and policy recommendations. If I were to guess, tech workers are much more likely to be progressive activists than workers in most other industries. This includes the (shamefully small) number of black tech workers as well. But at the same time, almost all of the activists are white. [1] see appendix 1.1.1 https://hiddentribes.us/pdf/hidden_tribes_report.pdf https://hiddentribes.us/pdf/hidden_tribes_report.pdf

i-write-comment 6y ago
This comment is a good example of an insidious trend that has existed throughout America's history, which tries to offload any agitation against racial discrimination onto white outsiders. In the past, race riots and protests were often blamed on Northern abolitionists, communists and Jews, basically "white agitators who aren't from here". You see this same trend today, when protests are blamed on Soros-paid white agitators from "out of state" and Antifa. It's intended to mollify any concerns of well-meaning whites that POC might actually really be upset with racial discrimination, and actually want significant change beyond superficial proposals.
- baryphonic 6y ago
  > It's intended to mollify any concerns of well-meaning whites that POC might actually really be upset with racial discrimination, and actually want significant change beyond superficial proposals. First, you have no idea of my intent, because I didn't tell you. Second, what you allege to be my intent is not my intent. Third, conceding for the sake of argument that you were right about my intent, why is it that the measured facts totally contradict your narrative, i.e. those who want radical change appear to be overwhelmingly white and particularly non-black? Are you one of those who think logic and data are tools of the white oppressor?
  - i-write-comment 6y ago
    Support for "defund the police", both the harsh slogan and the actual policy of reallocating some funding to social services, is dramatically higher among POC than whites so I don't think your analysis that "those who want radical change appear to be overwhelmingly white and particularly non-black" is correct. https://morningconsult.com/2020/06/17/defund-the-police-community-programs-polling/ https://morningconsult.com/2020/06/17/defund-the-police-comm...
    - baryphonic 6y ago
      Framing in these types of polls is incredibly important (indeed, I found two others from around the same time as yours, and all were fairly different from one another in their conclusions[1][2]). If you ask people whether they want the police presence in their communities to stay the same or increase, large majorities agree. Only 19% of black Americans want police presence to decrease.[3] And yet none of this is inconsistent. If the problems in predominantly non-white urban areas are at least in part crime problems that the police aren't solving, it makes sense for those citizens to want to take money from the police, whom they perceive to not be doing their jobs. At the same time, these same people probably would prefer the police to just do their jobs in the first place. [1]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/64-americans-oppose-defund-police-movement-key-goals/story?id=71202300 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/64-americans-oppose-defund-p... [2]https://news.gallup.com/poll/315962/americans-say-policing-needs-major-changes.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/315962/americans-say-policing-n... [3]https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-r...
joijoiwejrr 6y ago
> What makes you think POC are equivalent with woke activists? It's actually the opposite of the truth; "woke" activists/SJWs/whatever you want to call them are disproportionately white.

CryptoPunk 6y ago

All I see is you not finding it conceivable that someone could not think like you do, and think that every organization should be committed to your social causes, and also be a decent person who believes in fairness and justice for all. Hence the baseless personal attacks.