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frankly its a little surprising to me how quickly some people in this comment section are to instantly dismiss the experiences of the people in this article ye

by ausbah 6y ago

frankly its a little surprising to me how quickly some people in this comment section are to instantly dismiss the experiences of the people in this article yes the truth is shades of gray that article doesn't really give any answers to, but the unwillingness of others in these comments to even consider the possibility of some racism, discrimination, etc. experienced by others is just disheartening

camdenlock 6y ago
The fault here lies with our society granting far too much power to people claiming victimhood. Being a victim is now an actively sought-after position because of the rewards it yields. We’ve completely perverted the incentives. So now, in order to protect ourselves against bad faith actors, we have to be extremely skeptical of victimhood claims. I agree, it is sad.
- xvector 6y ago
  The problem is that if you are skeptical of the victims’ claims, you are accused as unempathetic or intolerant. Such a mentality is antithetical to “innocent until proven guilty.”
- ausbah 6y ago
  I think that view of victimhood is a very toxic view to hold. Of course innocent until proven guilty is a tenant to uphold, but extreme skepticism to the stories of real victims are why things like sexual assault cases are so under reported. a climate of such extreme disbelief painted by whatever few "bad apples" you may have witnessed tosses out the whole bushel
0xy 6y ago
There's so much push-back because the answer always seems to be "discriminate against non-black candidates to improve diversity" or "allow political propaganda to be openly preached in your organization".
- xvector 6y ago
  Precisely. It is going to be difficult for people to convince tech employees that the industry needs to change if your two methods of change are either discriminating against said employees during hiring or turning the workplace into a political powderkeg.

by ausbah 6y ago

camdenlock 6y ago

The fault here lies with our society granting far too much power to people claiming victimhood. Being a victim is now an actively sought-after position because of the rewards it yields. We’ve completely perverted the incentives. So now, in order to protect ourselves against bad faith actors, we have to be extremely skeptical of victimhood claims. I agree, it is sad.

xvector 6y ago
The problem is that if you are skeptical of the victims’ claims, you are accused as unempathetic or intolerant. Such a mentality is antithetical to “innocent until proven guilty.”
ausbah 6y ago
I think that view of victimhood is a very toxic view to hold. Of course innocent until proven guilty is a tenant to uphold, but extreme skepticism to the stories of real victims are why things like sexual assault cases are so under reported. a climate of such extreme disbelief painted by whatever few "bad apples" you may have witnessed tosses out the whole bushel

0xy 6y ago

There's so much push-back because the answer always seems to be "discriminate against non-black candidates to improve diversity" or "allow political propaganda to be openly preached in your organization".

xvector 6y ago
Precisely. It is going to be difficult for people to convince tech employees that the industry needs to change if your two methods of change are either discriminating against said employees during hiring or turning the workplace into a political powderkeg.