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fantastic news. only Brexit left then to sort out in less than a month

that_guy_iain 6y ago
Brexit was sorted out ages ago. No deal. Johnson has wanted that from the start of his Preimership, doesn't need to deal and can try and blame the EU for when things go wrong.
- dundarious 6y ago
  Recipe for disaster in Northern Ireland.
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    The lack of thought people put into Northern Ireland during the referendum was outrageous. The Good Friday Agreement was nearly written in blood, and we're pissing on it because the Tories couldn't put out their own fire. The worst part is that the people who actually voted for all this will be long dead before the impact becomes apparent.
    - lostlogin 6y ago
      I think that point was passed some time ago. Old brexiteers have died off enough that the vote would be different if conducted now. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/final-say-remain-leave-second-referendum-brexit-no-deal-crossover-day-a8541576.html%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/fi...
      - Engineering-MD 6y ago
        It’s generally preferable to link to the direct source rather than Google’s AMP page. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/final-say-remain-leave-second-referendum-brexit-no-deal-crossover-day-a8541576.html https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/final-say-remain-leave-...
      - bshimmin 6y ago
        You could quite easily argue that another vote was conducted in the form of the 2019 General Election, which the Tories - the only party of note who actually were in favour of Brexit - won by a landslide.
        tim333 6y ago
        That was mostly people just not wanting Corbyn.
        dundarious 6y ago
        Brexit surely played a huge role, given Corbyn's near victory in 2017. If there was a flaw to Labour's 2019 Brexit "agnosticism" policy, it was that it was not pro-Brexit enough -- Starmer's former Brexit-hostility (such as his "6 tests for Brexit") is gone, and he will probably use the whip to vote for almost any negotiated deal. I only hope there is a deal.
        that_guy_iain 6y ago
        I think it was literally more Corbyn screwed up massively. There was pretty much no Anti Brexit campaign. It was from as a far I could see between a guy who wanted Brexit to be over with and a guy who was wanting to play around with Brexit. I suspect if Labour came out hard on anti Brexit they could have won even with Corbyn. The anti-EU feeling in the UK is nowhere near as bad as it was 4 years ago when they held the vote.
        lostlogin 6y ago
        No you couldn’t. That was to choose how the exit was handled and didn’t include a referendum.
    - rsynnott 6y ago
      And then there's Gibraltar. The British government's current line on that seems to be to never, ever mention it.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  They probably don't want no-deal, but it's not in their interest to bother to try particularly hard to avoid it. Regardless the country is not in a good place. I look forward to Kent being flattened and concreted over to form a giant truck stop. Thank god we're having a government funded festival of Brexit. £120E6 fuck you to everyone who'll actually have to live in the country they've shat on in the coming decades

Brexit was sorted out ages ago. No deal. Johnson has wanted that from the start of his Preimership, doesn't need to deal and can try and blame the EU for when things go wrong.

dundarious 6y ago
Recipe for disaster in Northern Ireland.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  The lack of thought people put into Northern Ireland during the referendum was outrageous. The Good Friday Agreement was nearly written in blood, and we're pissing on it because the Tories couldn't put out their own fire. The worst part is that the people who actually voted for all this will be long dead before the impact becomes apparent.
  - lostlogin 6y ago
    I think that point was passed some time ago. Old brexiteers have died off enough that the vote would be different if conducted now. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/final-say-remain-leave-second-referendum-brexit-no-deal-crossover-day-a8541576.html%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/fi...
    - Engineering-MD 6y ago
      It’s generally preferable to link to the direct source rather than Google’s AMP page. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/final-say-remain-leave-second-referendum-brexit-no-deal-crossover-day-a8541576.html https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/final-say-remain-leave-...
    - bshimmin 6y ago
      You could quite easily argue that another vote was conducted in the form of the 2019 General Election, which the Tories - the only party of note who actually were in favour of Brexit - won by a landslide.
      - tim333 6y ago
        That was mostly people just not wanting Corbyn.
        dundarious 6y ago
        Brexit surely played a huge role, given Corbyn's near victory in 2017. If there was a flaw to Labour's 2019 Brexit "agnosticism" policy, it was that it was not pro-Brexit enough -- Starmer's former Brexit-hostility (such as his "6 tests for Brexit") is gone, and he will probably use the whip to vote for almost any negotiated deal. I only hope there is a deal.
        that_guy_iain 6y ago
        I think it was literally more Corbyn screwed up massively. There was pretty much no Anti Brexit campaign. It was from as a far I could see between a guy who wanted Brexit to be over with and a guy who was wanting to play around with Brexit. I suspect if Labour came out hard on anti Brexit they could have won even with Corbyn. The anti-EU feeling in the UK is nowhere near as bad as it was 4 years ago when they held the vote.
      - lostlogin 6y ago
        No you couldn’t. That was to choose how the exit was handled and didn’t include a referendum.
  - rsynnott 6y ago
    And then there's Gibraltar. The British government's current line on that seems to be to never, ever mention it.
mhh__ 6y ago
They probably don't want no-deal, but it's not in their interest to bother to try particularly hard to avoid it. Regardless the country is not in a good place. I look forward to Kent being flattened and concreted over to form a giant truck stop. Thank god we're having a government funded festival of Brexit. £120E6 fuck you to everyone who'll actually have to live in the country they've shat on in the coming decades