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It can go two ways: 1. Coinbase has real problems of discrimination 2. Coinbase is being targeted at a smearing campaign, for not playing ball with the ideolo

It can go two ways: 1. Coinbase has real problems of discrimination 2. Coinbase is being targeted at a smearing campaign, for not playing ball with the ideology of de-jure of some circles. It is kinda like a repeat of 2003: "if you are not with us (for the Iraqi war), then you are with the terrorist" mantra of conservative circles to justify their war. The truth, is probably somewhere in between. Also, NYT has become heavily biased/activist type of journal. While they don't straight up lie, they often omit many important details in their story, in order to justify their conclusion.

deanCommie 6y ago
Just to be clear, the "ideology of de jure" is "treat human being equally regardless of their race, and do not disproportionately murder them by systems intended to protect them", right? I mean the inciting incident for this was the protests against Police Brutality and Black Lives Matter as a response to the George Floyd killings specifically. We're not talking about politically correct speech, or "safe spaces" or "cancel culture" or people getting fired over bad twitter joke. The context here is a societal-wide movement to take meaningful action on data-supported systemic inequalities and discrimination, action that will require political will, individual will, and yes, major corporate support to have any likelihood of success.
whakim 6y ago
If there were important details that were omitted, Coinbase had the opportunity to surface them in their widely-publicized pre-emptive rebuttal. Also, the "if you're not with us, you're with them" mantra rests on the assumption that supporting the status quo means furthering terrorism/racism/whatever. In 2003 that was provably false given that there was no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda and no evidence of Saddam's supposed WMDs. I think the situation with regards to racial justice in 2020 is much more complex and not quite analagous.
- leppr 6y ago
  It's important to notice that the NYC article is very light in details as well. Maybe they're keeping the details as ammunition for a legal battle, but until more is revealed to the public, it's hard to either excuse or condemn Coinbase. especially given the political campaign going on against it[1]. [1]: https://coinbaseopenletter.com/ https://coinbaseopenletter.com/
- ardit33 6y ago
  They did: 1. They are not mentioning that one reason is that a team had transfered regions/states, and that might be the main cause of attrition on that team, and not the actual treatment. 2. In a previous article, NYT failed to mention at all that Coinbase had provided severance of 6 months (which is very generous). NYT made it seems as these employees were forced out the company and lelft out in the streets a) Omitting key details, is a very malicious type of journalism, and NY Times has been doing that for a while. b) Also, NYTimes has been engaging in a smearing campaign against tech, since 2012, when they realized that new tech media companies are their direct competitor, and their old business is about to be disrupted. Again, this is just a journal doing a smear campaign against their direct competitors... c) Most news organizations have been ramping up 'click-bait' type of stories to build narratives that are as controversial as possible, as it is good for their viewership stats, and ultimately their wallets. If you believe the 'follow the money' mantra, it is very reasonable to believe that NY Times is very biased, and untrustworthy. Someone might say it is cynical, but the fact that they are omitting details, makes them very suspect in their motivations.
  - whakim 6y ago
    > They are not mentioning that one reason is that a team had transfered regions/states, and that might be the main cause of attrition on that team, and not the actual treatment. They did mention this: "When Coinbase announced it would be opening an office in Portland, Ore., several Black employees in the compliance department who worked remotely were told to move there or reapply for new jobs, four former employees said." They then state the sole white employee on the team did not have to relocate. That isn't necessarily hard evidence of anything on its own, but fits the general pattern described in the rest of the story. > In a previous article, NYT failed to mention at all that Coinbase had provided severance of 6 months (which is very generous). NYT made it seems as these employees were forced out the company and lelft out in the streets The departures described in this story all occurred prior to Coinbase's no-politics severance offer. > Omitting key details, is a very malicious type of journalism, and NY Times has been doing that for a while. I'm not sure what key details are omitted here. The rest of your argument, to me, is very conspiratorial. The NYT certainly has a point of view, and no one's denying that. But considering that NYT has had incredibly strong financial results over the past 5 years, I find it difficult to believe that anti-tech stories are all part of a secret smear campaign to undermine a supposed business competitor.
johncena33 6y ago
> Also, NYT has become heavily biased/activist type of journal. While they don't straight up lie, they often omit many important details in their story, in order to justify their conclusion. That's also my experience with the media on the left. It's not straight-up fake news. But it's more misleading news. The infamous "women earn 78 cents for every dollar a man make". Which gives you the impression that a man and a woman both working at the same role doing the same work and woman makes 20% less than man. While in reality this is just an abject misrepresentation of the actual stat and weaponized for political gain. But unfortunately, this will not qualify as fake news.

deanCommie 6y ago

Just to be clear, the "ideology of de jure" is "treat human being equally regardless of their race, and do not disproportionately murder them by systems intended to protect them", right? I mean the inciting incident for this was the protests against Police Brutality and Black Lives Matter as a response to the George Floyd killings specifically. We're not talking about politically correct speech, or "safe spaces" or "cancel culture" or people getting fired over bad twitter joke. The context here is a societal-wide movement to take meaningful action on data-supported systemic inequalities and discrimination, action that will require political will, individual will, and yes, major corporate support to have any likelihood of success.

whakim 6y ago

If there were important details that were omitted, Coinbase had the opportunity to surface them in their widely-publicized pre-emptive rebuttal. Also, the "if you're not with us, you're with them" mantra rests on the assumption that supporting the status quo means furthering terrorism/racism/whatever. In 2003 that was provably false given that there was no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda and no evidence of Saddam's supposed WMDs. I think the situation with regards to racial justice in 2020 is much more complex and not quite analagous.

leppr 6y ago
It's important to notice that the NYC article is very light in details as well. Maybe they're keeping the details as ammunition for a legal battle, but until more is revealed to the public, it's hard to either excuse or condemn Coinbase. especially given the political campaign going on against it[1]. [1]: https://coinbaseopenletter.com/ https://coinbaseopenletter.com/
ardit33 6y ago
They did: 1. They are not mentioning that one reason is that a team had transfered regions/states, and that might be the main cause of attrition on that team, and not the actual treatment. 2. In a previous article, NYT failed to mention at all that Coinbase had provided severance of 6 months (which is very generous). NYT made it seems as these employees were forced out the company and lelft out in the streets a) Omitting key details, is a very malicious type of journalism, and NY Times has been doing that for a while. b) Also, NYTimes has been engaging in a smearing campaign against tech, since 2012, when they realized that new tech media companies are their direct competitor, and their old business is about to be disrupted. Again, this is just a journal doing a smear campaign against their direct competitors... c) Most news organizations have been ramping up 'click-bait' type of stories to build narratives that are as controversial as possible, as it is good for their viewership stats, and ultimately their wallets. If you believe the 'follow the money' mantra, it is very reasonable to believe that NY Times is very biased, and untrustworthy. Someone might say it is cynical, but the fact that they are omitting details, makes them very suspect in their motivations.
- whakim 6y ago
  > They are not mentioning that one reason is that a team had transfered regions/states, and that might be the main cause of attrition on that team, and not the actual treatment. They did mention this: "When Coinbase announced it would be opening an office in Portland, Ore., several Black employees in the compliance department who worked remotely were told to move there or reapply for new jobs, four former employees said." They then state the sole white employee on the team did not have to relocate. That isn't necessarily hard evidence of anything on its own, but fits the general pattern described in the rest of the story. > In a previous article, NYT failed to mention at all that Coinbase had provided severance of 6 months (which is very generous). NYT made it seems as these employees were forced out the company and lelft out in the streets The departures described in this story all occurred prior to Coinbase's no-politics severance offer. > Omitting key details, is a very malicious type of journalism, and NY Times has been doing that for a while. I'm not sure what key details are omitted here. The rest of your argument, to me, is very conspiratorial. The NYT certainly has a point of view, and no one's denying that. But considering that NYT has had incredibly strong financial results over the past 5 years, I find it difficult to believe that anti-tech stories are all part of a secret smear campaign to undermine a supposed business competitor.

johncena33 6y ago

> Also, NYT has become heavily biased/activist type of journal. While they don't straight up lie, they often omit many important details in their story, in order to justify their conclusion. That's also my experience with the media on the left. It's not straight-up fake news. But it's more misleading news. The infamous "women earn 78 cents for every dollar a man make". Which gives you the impression that a man and a woman both working at the same role doing the same work and woman makes 20% less than man. While in reality this is just an abject misrepresentation of the actual stat and weaponized for political gain. But unfortunately, this will not qualify as fake news.