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> I'm also assuming that the US, IL, and SA are pretty interested in regional stability if only because stability favors their own interests. A completely stab

> I'm also assuming that the US, IL, and SA are pretty interested in regional stability if only because stability favors their own interests. A completely stable and peaceful region is very much NOT in the interest of Israeli right-wing politicians (currently in power) hell-bent on expanding illegal settlements. Israel is the only modern nation in the world without a fixed border. This can only be maintained by denying Palestine statehood, and the only moral way to do that is by selling this image of "our savage, uncivilized neighbors will destroy us if we grant them statehood. We're in an extraordinary circumstance, so that's why we're taking the extraordinary measure of denying millions of people their human rights for 70 years." Btw, 2014 Gaza war killed 5 Israeli civilians vs around 1500 Palestinian civilians (UN). It amazes me how Israel still manages to play the victim card in the western world.

throwaway894345 6y ago
> Btw, 2014 Gaza war killed 5 Israeli civilians vs around 1500 Palestinian civilians (UN). It amazes me how Israel still manages to play the victim card in the western world. Of course there were fewer Israeli casualties. Israel took the fight to Hamas for the express purpose of protecting Israeli lives. Safeguarding their own citizenry is the primary objective of any nation’s military, and Israel did that by fighting Hamas on their home turf (as opposed to inviting Hamas to fight inside Israel).
- captain_price7 6y ago
  I was talking about only civilians, non-combatants, not Hamas terrorists. I guess it was an honest mistake on your part, though there are too many people out there with "all Palestinian are terrorist" belief.
  - throwaway894345 6y ago
    The point is that by taking the fight to Hamas, they were fighting among Palestinian civilians and not among Israeli civilians, so naturally there would be more Palestinian civilian casualties. For the same reason that there are relatively fewer US casualties in any US foreign war (how many US civilian casualties were there in Afghanistan relative to Afghan civilian casualties?). Adding to that is the fact that Hamas hide among the Palestinian citizenry, making collateral damage all the more likely.

throwaway894345 6y ago

> Btw, 2014 Gaza war killed 5 Israeli civilians vs around 1500 Palestinian civilians (UN). It amazes me how Israel still manages to play the victim card in the western world. Of course there were fewer Israeli casualties. Israel took the fight to Hamas for the express purpose of protecting Israeli lives. Safeguarding their own citizenry is the primary objective of any nation’s military, and Israel did that by fighting Hamas on their home turf (as opposed to inviting Hamas to fight inside Israel).

captain_price7 6y ago
I was talking about only civilians, non-combatants, not Hamas terrorists. I guess it was an honest mistake on your part, though there are too many people out there with "all Palestinian are terrorist" belief.
- throwaway894345 6y ago
  The point is that by taking the fight to Hamas, they were fighting among Palestinian civilians and not among Israeli civilians, so naturally there would be more Palestinian civilian casualties. For the same reason that there are relatively fewer US casualties in any US foreign war (how many US civilian casualties were there in Afghanistan relative to Afghan civilian casualties?). Adding to that is the fact that Hamas hide among the Palestinian citizenry, making collateral damage all the more likely.