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Windows containers are Windows specific, and the base image is like 1+ GB. I think the best solution is run Linux cause that is what containers were created for

by gitweb 6y ago

Windows containers are Windows specific, and the base image is like 1+ GB. I think the best solution is run Linux cause that is what containers were created for and are the most performant on.

pjmlp 6y ago
Containers were created in the 60's for mainframes, Linux doesn't have anything to do with them.
- evacchi 6y ago
  that's interesting do you have any literature to share on that?
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Sure, You can start here for an historical perspective, https://www.zdnet.com/article/ibm-mainframe-containers-grow-more-secure/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/ibm-mainframe-containers-grow-... Then read about MFT and MVT here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/360_and_successors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/360_and_successors https://community.ibm.com/community/user/imwuc/browse/blogs/blogviewer?BlogKey=84f064d4-cdf8-49b3-b8a7-6e84dfde0c63 https://community.ibm.com/community/user/imwuc/browse/blogs/... You can eventually also delve into the world of IBM i, z/OS and Unisys ClearPath MCP. In what concerns UNIX clones, HP-UX Virtual Vault (which I used in the 2000's, however docs are hard to get freely online, after it got replaced by HP-UX Security Containment) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-UX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-UX ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/security/VVSCdepots/VVSCAdminGuide.pdf https://myenterpriselicense.hpe.com/cwp-ui/free-software/SecurityExt https://myenterpriselicense.hpe.com/cwp-ui/free-software/Sec... Solaris Zones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_Containers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_Containers FreeBSD jail https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails.html AIX LPAR https://sort.veritas.com/public/documents/sfha/6.0.1/aix/productguides/html/sfhas_virtualization/ch01s01.htm https://sort.veritas.com/public/documents/sfha/6.0.1/aix/pro... Tru64 http://www2.phys.canterbury.ac.nz/dept/docs/manuals/unix/DEC_5.0a_Docs/HTML/ARH8XBTE/TITLE.HTM http://www2.phys.canterbury.ac.nz/dept/docs/manuals/unix/DEC... So while Linux containers are all over the place in 2020, Linux had zero influence in technology per se, and like Windows is just catching up with the mainframes and UNIX old timers already offered during the last couple of decades.
    - gitweb 6y ago
      They aren't all over the place, in fact they are far more advanced than whatever you're referring to. Containers on Linux have also existed for a long time: https://blog.aquasec.com/a-brief-history-of-containers-from-1970s-chroot-to-docker-2016 https://blog.aquasec.com/a-brief-history-of-containers-from-... The containerization solutions you're referring to didn't gain widespread adoption like Docker and Kubernetes because they weren't as polished and lacked features and functionality that is available today. Windows containers have a big image requirement, and most server-side software is already optimized for Linux so they aren't in high demand. Just take a look at Docker Hub and tell me how many Windows containers you find compared to Linux, especially the official images of the most common software.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        Free beer has a great power, hence why the other solutions didn't got as widespread as Linux. As for the number of Docker images with Windows, that is just a side effect of Windows containers being relatively recent and most public cloud deployments being anyway based on Linux distributions.

by gitweb 6y ago

Windows containers are Windows specific, and the base image is like 1+ GB. I think the best solution is run Linux cause that is what containers were created for and are the most performant on.

pjmlp 6y ago

Containers were created in the 60's for mainframes, Linux doesn't have anything to do with them.

evacchi 6y ago
that's interesting do you have any literature to share on that?
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Sure, You can start here for an historical perspective, https://www.zdnet.com/article/ibm-mainframe-containers-grow-more-secure/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/ibm-mainframe-containers-grow-... Then read about MFT and MVT here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/360_and_successors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/360_and_successors https://community.ibm.com/community/user/imwuc/browse/blogs/blogviewer?BlogKey=84f064d4-cdf8-49b3-b8a7-6e84dfde0c63 https://community.ibm.com/community/user/imwuc/browse/blogs/... You can eventually also delve into the world of IBM i, z/OS and Unisys ClearPath MCP. In what concerns UNIX clones, HP-UX Virtual Vault (which I used in the 2000's, however docs are hard to get freely online, after it got replaced by HP-UX Security Containment) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-UX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-UX ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/security/VVSCdepots/VVSCAdminGuide.pdf https://myenterpriselicense.hpe.com/cwp-ui/free-software/SecurityExt https://myenterpriselicense.hpe.com/cwp-ui/free-software/Sec... Solaris Zones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_Containers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_Containers FreeBSD jail https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails.html AIX LPAR https://sort.veritas.com/public/documents/sfha/6.0.1/aix/productguides/html/sfhas_virtualization/ch01s01.htm https://sort.veritas.com/public/documents/sfha/6.0.1/aix/pro... Tru64 http://www2.phys.canterbury.ac.nz/dept/docs/manuals/unix/DEC_5.0a_Docs/HTML/ARH8XBTE/TITLE.HTM http://www2.phys.canterbury.ac.nz/dept/docs/manuals/unix/DEC... So while Linux containers are all over the place in 2020, Linux had zero influence in technology per se, and like Windows is just catching up with the mainframes and UNIX old timers already offered during the last couple of decades.
  - gitweb 6y ago
    They aren't all over the place, in fact they are far more advanced than whatever you're referring to. Containers on Linux have also existed for a long time: https://blog.aquasec.com/a-brief-history-of-containers-from-1970s-chroot-to-docker-2016 https://blog.aquasec.com/a-brief-history-of-containers-from-... The containerization solutions you're referring to didn't gain widespread adoption like Docker and Kubernetes because they weren't as polished and lacked features and functionality that is available today. Windows containers have a big image requirement, and most server-side software is already optimized for Linux so they aren't in high demand. Just take a look at Docker Hub and tell me how many Windows containers you find compared to Linux, especially the official images of the most common software.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Free beer has a great power, hence why the other solutions didn't got as widespread as Linux. As for the number of Docker images with Windows, that is just a side effect of Windows containers being relatively recent and most public cloud deployments being anyway based on Linux distributions.