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> it plausibly deters Iran from advancing (and thus using) its nuclear weapons program Having looked quite deeply into this, Iran does not currently have, nor

> it plausibly deters Iran from advancing (and thus using) its nuclear weapons program Having looked quite deeply into this, Iran does not currently have, nor peruses such a program. Meanwhile Israel not only does have a nuclear program, but refuses to sign any treaties regulating it.

hnracer 6y ago
What do you make of the Israeli's sharing of intel to the public regarding a purported illegal nuclear weapons research program currently ongoing inside Iran. Is that evidence fabricated, and if so how do we know that?
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  Because there wasn't any new credible intelligence in there even per the U.S., which is no friend of Iran [1] and because Israel has been rehashing the same shit forever now. > Is that evidence fabricated, and if so how do we know that? It is generally up to the party offering evidence to prove its authenticity, not the other way around. 1 - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/netanyahu-s-info-iran-nukes-known-u-s-intelligence-years-n870456 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/netanyahu-s-info-iran-n...
throwaway894345 6y ago
They don't have a public nuclear weapons program because they don't want to suffer the sanctions that would be imposed on them, but they have a long history of interest in and pursuit of such a program. As for Israel, I fail to see how that's anything but whataboutism.
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  > As for Israel, I fail to see how that's anything but whataboutism. Has it ever occurred to you the Iranians might be interested in such a weapon because Israel already has one? This is not without precedent. We know for example that Pakistan developed its nukes to deter India when they demonstrated they have nuclear weapons.
  - throwaway894345 6y ago
    Let me be clearer: I don’t see how Iran’s intent (or speculation there about) is relevant to the quoted portion of my post: > it plausibly deters Iran from advancing (and thus using) its nuclear weapons program As for Iranian intentions; they’ve been quite clear and consistent that they want to wipe out Israel, and I take them at their word about their motives. It seems unrealistic to me that they want nukes for purely defensive purposes (unrelated to their broader desire to wipe Israel off the map), i.e., they think (absent a nuclear Iran) Israel would without provocation initiate a nuclear attack on Iran. It seems obvious to me that Iran wants nuclear weapons as part of its broader desire to eradicate Israel, albeit probably not to launch nukes at Israel directly but rather to derisk a nuclear counterattack. In either case, a nuclear Iran brings us considerably closer to a violent humanitarian crisis.

hnracer 6y ago

What do you make of the Israeli's sharing of intel to the public regarding a purported illegal nuclear weapons research program currently ongoing inside Iran. Is that evidence fabricated, and if so how do we know that?

AsyncAwait 6y ago
Because there wasn't any new credible intelligence in there even per the U.S., which is no friend of Iran [1] and because Israel has been rehashing the same shit forever now. > Is that evidence fabricated, and if so how do we know that? It is generally up to the party offering evidence to prove its authenticity, not the other way around. 1 - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/netanyahu-s-info-iran-nukes-known-u-s-intelligence-years-n870456 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/netanyahu-s-info-iran-n...

throwaway894345 6y ago

They don't have a public nuclear weapons program because they don't want to suffer the sanctions that would be imposed on them, but they have a long history of interest in and pursuit of such a program. As for Israel, I fail to see how that's anything but whataboutism.

AsyncAwait 6y ago
> As for Israel, I fail to see how that's anything but whataboutism. Has it ever occurred to you the Iranians might be interested in such a weapon because Israel already has one? This is not without precedent. We know for example that Pakistan developed its nukes to deter India when they demonstrated they have nuclear weapons.
- throwaway894345 6y ago
  Let me be clearer: I don’t see how Iran’s intent (or speculation there about) is relevant to the quoted portion of my post: > it plausibly deters Iran from advancing (and thus using) its nuclear weapons program As for Iranian intentions; they’ve been quite clear and consistent that they want to wipe out Israel, and I take them at their word about their motives. It seems unrealistic to me that they want nukes for purely defensive purposes (unrelated to their broader desire to wipe Israel off the map), i.e., they think (absent a nuclear Iran) Israel would without provocation initiate a nuclear attack on Iran. It seems obvious to me that Iran wants nuclear weapons as part of its broader desire to eradicate Israel, albeit probably not to launch nukes at Israel directly but rather to derisk a nuclear counterattack. In either case, a nuclear Iran brings us considerably closer to a violent humanitarian crisis.