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Jason Fung talks about this in his books. Independent studies find artificial sweeteners raise insulin. Industry studies mysteriously find no link. Also, inje
by bfieidhbrjr 6y ago
Jason Fung talks about this in his books.
Independent studies find artificial sweeteners raise insulin. Industry studies mysteriously find no link.
Also, injected glucose doesn't raise insulin like swallowing it.
The world is a big weird place.
- hoka-one-one 6y agoDoesn't Jason Fung recommend starving yourself to stay lean?
- voisin 6y agoThat is an interesting take on his position. He recommends intermittent fasting as a way to keep insulin levels down. There are dozens and dozens of studies on this, many posted here to HN. Highly recommended reading.
- bfieidhbrjr 6y agoEven for 2020 that's a pretty obtuse misreading of what he says. Please let me know what stocks you're long on so I can short them?
- hoka-one-one 6y agoNot sure why you're responding in this manner but sorry if I offended you, I really didn't mean to. Maybe you see something in his work that I don't.
- bfieidhbrjr 6y agoI know you haven't read his work because he specifically deals with the starvation thing multiple times.
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- hoka-one-one 6y agoWhatever, have a nice day! Please come back in five years and let everyone know how you're doing on your "fasting" diet.
- TuringNYC 6y agoJason Fung is very methodical in his book as he covers all the popular diets, approaches, and studies around them showing efficacy. He recommends Intermittent Fasting, which is not "starving yourself" https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6D0LCK/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6D0LCK/ref=dbs_a_def_r...
- hoka-one-one 6y agoI'm sorry, what's the difference? If you want to eat, have food available, and force yourself not to eat until a certain hour, how are you not starving yourself? Especially when you do this many times over a long time
- mthoms 6y agoBecause that definition would mean that almost every single person in the western world is "starving" at some point during the day. The definition is - "suffering or dying from hunger." (Oxford) Starving is more extreme than hungry, just like suffering is more extreme than uncomfortable.
- hoka-one-one 6y agoIf you're looking to the Oxford dictionary then it sounds like you're just making a semantic argument. I was hoping to learn what the metabolic difference is.
- mthoms 6y ago> I was hoping to learn what the metabolic difference is. Okay sure. But that's not what you said: >If you want to eat, have food available, and force yourself not to eat until a certain hour, how are you not starving yourself? Your argument hinged on food being available and consciously choosing not to eat it. That has nothing to do with metabolism.
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- maurys 6y agoIt's more nuanced than that. Speaking as someone who has done the diet and had multiple people around me also have results with it when other diets haven't worked (as well). The hormonal impact of what and when you eat tends to have a larger impact than what a pure "calories in, calories out" model would suggest. I've taken blood tests before and after 6 months of intermittent fasting (with a similar diet) and saw massive improvement in blood work and hunger pangs. YMMV but his ideas are worth exploring.
- 49yearsold 6y agoSo is it expected that you do this intermittent fasting until you reverse T2 diabetes? If so - how long? Six months, 1 year, more or less? Or does this depend on individual - how long it takes her/him to reverse T2 diabetes? Or is this a lifestyle change that you incorporate until EOL?
- aksss 6y agoThis is quantifiable. Ideally start when you’re only in the “pre-diabetic” range: fasting glucose above ~105ish, A1C > 5.7. Those are the numbers you’re trying to lower. So how long you go with a dietary change depends on how well you’re able to manage this numbers down, and keep them down. Surely some of this depends on how rigorously you can decrease your sugar intake, fasting or not, and/or restore better function of your systems (e.g. exercise, fasting).
- anonuser123456 6y agoFasting is not starving, it's just metabolizing your existing food stores. For people with large body fat stores, you by definition cannot be 'starving'. He does not recommend that very lean individuals fast.
- hoka-one-one 6y ago>it's just metabolizing your existing food stores These things are a hell of a lot more complex than you're making them out to be.