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Your theory requires us to believe that low status men are more capable of starting wars than the high status men who actually run society. Incel anger is a re

Your theory requires us to believe that low status men are more capable of starting wars than the high status men who actually run society. Incel anger is a real thing, but incels are not building warships or running munitions factories.

s_dev 6y ago
I would imagine groups like ISIS are numbered by such men.
- bilbo0s 6y ago
  I believe HN User "motogpjimbo"'s point was that it's very likely that groups like ISIS are started by high status men. And now that he got me to contemplate the matter, I think he may be correct. I think it is the high status men and women who generally start the wars, and the low status people who are forced to fight the wars. I think this is how things generally work.
- motogpjimbo 6y ago
  Sure, but probably not led, funded or conceptualised by them. Anyone who is able to accumulate enough power to start a war wouldn't normally be considered a low status male.
- FooBarBizBazz 6y ago
  Interviews with ISIS fighters struck me strongly with that impression. One man in particular -- in Europe he had been a nobody, but in the Islamic State he had status... and his experience was that this status was absolutely worth killing for.
est31 6y ago
High status individuals might have more power than low status individuals, but the collection of low status individuals is large. Men without anything to lose and no potential to improve their lives legally are very dangerous, whether you give them weapons or whether you don't. The high status men only channel this force and use it for their own gains. But you are right, I should have mentioned that high status men contribute to wars as well. Re incels, it depends on the definition of the term whether they can be regarded as such. I think that the term is most commonly used to refer to a specific group of men in western society which by and large is still monogamic, so it's not very comparable to a mostly polygamic society and the effects it has. I think most men or women who identify as incel can find someone if they really want to, they might just not live up to their standards. I mean, here in the west there is no effect which removes far more women from the dating pool than men :).

s_dev 6y ago

I would imagine groups like ISIS are numbered by such men.

bilbo0s 6y ago
I believe HN User "motogpjimbo"'s point was that it's very likely that groups like ISIS are started by high status men. And now that he got me to contemplate the matter, I think he may be correct. I think it is the high status men and women who generally start the wars, and the low status people who are forced to fight the wars. I think this is how things generally work.
motogpjimbo 6y ago
Sure, but probably not led, funded or conceptualised by them. Anyone who is able to accumulate enough power to start a war wouldn't normally be considered a low status male.
FooBarBizBazz 6y ago
Interviews with ISIS fighters struck me strongly with that impression. One man in particular -- in Europe he had been a nobody, but in the Islamic State he had status... and his experience was that this status was absolutely worth killing for.

est31 6y ago

High status individuals might have more power than low status individuals, but the collection of low status individuals is large. Men without anything to lose and no potential to improve their lives legally are very dangerous, whether you give them weapons or whether you don't. The high status men only channel this force and use it for their own gains. But you are right, I should have mentioned that high status men contribute to wars as well. Re incels, it depends on the definition of the term whether they can be regarded as such. I think that the term is most commonly used to refer to a specific group of men in western society which by and large is still monogamic, so it's not very comparable to a mostly polygamic society and the effects it has. I think most men or women who identify as incel can find someone if they really want to, they might just not live up to their standards. I mean, here in the west there is no effect which removes far more women from the dating pool than men :).