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OT: But wouldn't be surprised to see Docker Desktop for Mac running on M1 in 3-6 months. Been without a personal laptop for close to a year now, mostly using m

OT: But wouldn't be surprised to see Docker Desktop for Mac running on M1 in 3-6 months. Been without a personal laptop for close to a year now, mostly using my work laptop or personal desktop... and have been considering the M1, but likely won't pull the trigger without better Docker support. I've found WSL2+Docker support to be excellent and hope to see similar levels of integration with OSX before too long. Using the CLI to connect to a VM isn't so bad, did this a lot before Docker Desktop was even a thing, though I generally just ran an SSH shelled into the VM full time. With VS Code's remote extension, it's roughly the same either way.

Wowfunhappy 6y ago
I would be surprised if we didn't see Docker Desktop for Mac running on M1 in six months.
sgt 6y ago
macOS already has this and is in fact a proper Unix to begin with. Docker is supported just fine on macOS on Intel (and soon the new chip), and it runs basically Linux inside a VM, just like WSL2 does.
- Krisando 6y ago
  XNU is Not Unix.
  - sgt 6y ago
    That may be, but macOS is considered Unix, and holds a UNIX 03 certification with the Open Group: https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/apple.htm https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/apple.htm
jillesvangurp 6y ago
Docker support with full support for running x86 docker images from docker hub via rosetta would be what is needed for me. I'm not sure that is going to be feasible but not being able to run vanilla x86 docker images means I can't build most server side projects I've worked on in recent years because they all fire up things like elasticsearch, redis, posgresql, etc. as part of their builds so tests can run against these thing. All of those are basically either vendor provided docker images or things on Dockerhub in x86 form. Manually creating arm variants for these things and customizing the builds to have ARM variants is not going to be practical for a lot of that stuff. I'd have an easier time switching to Linux or Windows based laptop than to an ARM mac right now. Realistically, most people that have docker in their life are going to not be bothering with ARM macs for quite some time. In any case, the 16GB limit is also not great if you are using docker, some ide, and other tools. I'd be looking for something closer to 64GB if I was buying currently. Maybe the second generation will be a bit more attractive and maybe by then the software ecosystem will have matured a bit. Right now basically everything I use on a daily basis is somewhat problematic.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  > Docker support with full support for running x86 docker images from docker hub via rosetta would be what is needed for me. Docker isn’t going to be doing that, at least they’re not going to work on it themselves.
- anentropic 6y ago
  According to docs https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/multi-arch/ https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/multi-arch/ Docker for Mac can run ARM images on an Intel mac via QEMU already so it doesn't seem a huge leap to imagine the reverse being possible before too long (I kind of hoped it already was, but I guess the existence of blog posts like this and the one from Docker here https://www.docker.com/blog/apple-silicon-m1-chips-and-docker/ https://www.docker.com/blog/apple-silicon-m1-chips-and-docke... indicates there's work to be done on the Docker for Mac app itself to get it working nicely)
  - anentropic 6y ago
    https://github.com/docker/for-mac/issues/5077 https://github.com/docker/for-mac/issues/5077 "It's us that need to fix it, not Apple, so we expect it to work on the current M1 chips."
- justincormack 6y ago
  Almost all the Docker Hub images like redis, postgres etc are already available for arm64.
  - visarga 6y ago
    Even if you could run those, would you run your integration tests on your ARM Mac knowing the deployment will be on x86? I mean, if it passes for you it might still fail for the other architecture.
    - tracker1 6y ago
      I would. Generally would also have a cluster spin up/down to run via the ci/cd platform. Almost everything I've written for the last 6 years is with tools that are mostly cross platform. The biggest issues I've had in that time is the prerequisites for rabbitmq in Windows, and building apps using sqlite on embedded. I think the may be a couple hurdles in the next year, but that apple going to m1 will be the catalyst for much more flushed out arm support in the docker ecosystem. Rpi has done a lot of this already.

Wowfunhappy 6y ago

I would be surprised if we didn't see Docker Desktop for Mac running on M1 in six months.

sgt 6y ago

macOS already has this and is in fact a proper Unix to begin with. Docker is supported just fine on macOS on Intel (and soon the new chip), and it runs basically Linux inside a VM, just like WSL2 does.

Krisando 6y ago
XNU is Not Unix.
- sgt 6y ago
  That may be, but macOS is considered Unix, and holds a UNIX 03 certification with the Open Group: https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/apple.htm https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/apple.htm

jillesvangurp 6y ago

Docker support with full support for running x86 docker images from docker hub via rosetta would be what is needed for me. I'm not sure that is going to be feasible but not being able to run vanilla x86 docker images means I can't build most server side projects I've worked on in recent years because they all fire up things like elasticsearch, redis, posgresql, etc. as part of their builds so tests can run against these thing. All of those are basically either vendor provided docker images or things on Dockerhub in x86 form. Manually creating arm variants for these things and customizing the builds to have ARM variants is not going to be practical for a lot of that stuff. I'd have an easier time switching to Linux or Windows based laptop than to an ARM mac right now. Realistically, most people that have docker in their life are going to not be bothering with ARM macs for quite some time. In any case, the 16GB limit is also not great if you are using docker, some ide, and other tools. I'd be looking for something closer to 64GB if I was buying currently. Maybe the second generation will be a bit more attractive and maybe by then the software ecosystem will have matured a bit. Right now basically everything I use on a daily basis is somewhat problematic.

saagarjha 6y ago
> Docker support with full support for running x86 docker images from docker hub via rosetta would be what is needed for me. Docker isn’t going to be doing that, at least they’re not going to work on it themselves.
anentropic 6y ago
According to docs https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/multi-arch/ https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/multi-arch/ Docker for Mac can run ARM images on an Intel mac via QEMU already so it doesn't seem a huge leap to imagine the reverse being possible before too long (I kind of hoped it already was, but I guess the existence of blog posts like this and the one from Docker here https://www.docker.com/blog/apple-silicon-m1-chips-and-docker/ https://www.docker.com/blog/apple-silicon-m1-chips-and-docke... indicates there's work to be done on the Docker for Mac app itself to get it working nicely)
- anentropic 6y ago
  https://github.com/docker/for-mac/issues/5077 https://github.com/docker/for-mac/issues/5077 "It's us that need to fix it, not Apple, so we expect it to work on the current M1 chips."
justincormack 6y ago
Almost all the Docker Hub images like redis, postgres etc are already available for arm64.
- visarga 6y ago
  Even if you could run those, would you run your integration tests on your ARM Mac knowing the deployment will be on x86? I mean, if it passes for you it might still fail for the other architecture.
  - tracker1 6y ago
    I would. Generally would also have a cluster spin up/down to run via the ci/cd platform. Almost everything I've written for the last 6 years is with tools that are mostly cross platform. The biggest issues I've had in that time is the prerequisites for rabbitmq in Windows, and building apps using sqlite on embedded. I think the may be a couple hurdles in the next year, but that apple going to m1 will be the catalyst for much more flushed out arm support in the docker ecosystem. Rpi has done a lot of this already.