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Okay, but how do you have a lively discussion but also have nobody’s ideas getting shouted down? Would a lively discussion involve everyone agreeing with one a
by fallingfrog 6y ago
Okay, but how do you have a lively discussion but also have nobody’s ideas getting shouted down? Would a lively discussion involve everyone agreeing with one another?
Edit: people are apparently not getting my central point here: it might be that, if you’re a conformist, you see a whole bunch of people nodding and saying roughly the same things and think, “this is a lively discussion!” But then see people disagreeing with you and think, “what happened to this once lively community?”
But, it could also be that we’re talking about something else. But the parent post is too vague for me to tell. I sense a more concrete suggestion coming on? Maybe related to the power of downvotes to silence dissent?
- edw519 6y agoshoutedDown != disagreed
- fallingfrog 6y agoExplain. In what way? Edit: I tried to just post that I think I understand where you’re coming from: people disagreeing but without giving actual reasons. Which is toxic. And guess what: I got “you’re posting too fast”. Thanks for enabling real discussions by nonconformists, hacker news!
- edw519 6y agoSomewhere between DH3 and DH4 here: http://paulgraham.com/disagree.html http://paulgraham.com/disagree.html
- fallingfrog 6y agoIf you’re the one with the unpopular opinion, even if it is correct, then you will always find yourself being the one “shouted down”. But if you never find yourself shouted down, perhaps you are less nonconformist than you think? You can’t be both nonconformist and also never shouted down. It’s a contradiction.
- hedberg10 6y agoThe reddit trap. Upvotes are supposed to be given for a good reply, even if it's against your opinion, not a reply that you happen to agree with. Same with downvotes. Never happens, thus censorious fence sittery.
- fallingfrog 6y agoGood insight! I have probably been guilty of this same behavior. But the upvotes/downvotes system kind of encourages this behavior. I’m trying to think of a better system but it’s a hard problem..