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The thought of - if the 'bad guys' get access to a single machine, they can potentially control every security related device in my house makes me very anxious.
by unclekev 6y ago
The thought of - if the 'bad guys' get access to a single machine, they can potentially control every security related device in my house makes me very anxious.
- jmnicolas 6y agoI don't know about your average bad guy, but here in France they smash your window with a rock found nearby then take everything they can in 5 minutes.
- onion2k 6y agoIf you ever have the opportunity try to smash a modern double-glazed window with a rock. Stand well back though because the rock will just bounce back at you.
- karlshea 6y agoLarge parts of Minneapolis beg to differ.
- kwhitefoot 6y agoYou just need to be slightly smarter than the average opportunistic thief. Hit the glass very hard in the corner where it is held most firmly so that you get a large force distributed over a small area, that is the largest stress. The same thing goes for smashing a car window. I have a small spring loaded device on my keyring for exactly this purpose [1]. A slightly smarter thief might carry a hammer specifically designed to break double glazing [2]. Mind you carrying that in the UK could count as 'going equipped' if you don't have a plausible excuse. Otherwise just use a heavy pointed rock in the corner of the window. But of course most burglars don't break windows, they take advantage of open windows, doors than can be forced, sliding doors that can simply be lifted out of the track, and other flaws in building security. [1] Like this: https://www.smartasaker.no/no/artiklar/resqme-belteskjarer-amp-vindusknuser.html https://www.smartasaker.no/no/artiklar/resqme-belteskjarer-a... [2] For instance: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00EFZC62Q https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00EFZC62Q
- mytailorisrich 6y agoWhat I've noticed is that in France most people, including in flats, have extremely strong and secure doors and locks while here in the UK most people have simple doors with simple barrel locks. It seems massively easier to break into a home this side of the channel.
- speedgoose 6y agoThey more likely use something like a spark plug to break the window.
- lllr_finger 6y agoFor those wondering how a spark plug would work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja_rocks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja_rocks
- dec0dedab0de 6y agoIn my area they learn your schedule, break in through the back door with a crowbar while you're walking the dog, and have a friend pull a moving van into your driveway. At least that's what one very successful group did a while back before they got themselves caught.
- zrail 6y agoA) what bad guys? Best to try to be specific when you’re threat modeling. B) Does your home have easier ingress methods that don’t require finding the server, hacking into it, and hitting the correct button? For example, a first floor window?
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- Kudos 6y agoB) being true doesn't make the cautiousness around home smart device security less important. Do you want to elaborate on where you were planning to go on this?
- zrail 6y agoI guess my point is to be realistic with your threat modeling. Sure don’t advertise the wifi password that grants access to your smart lock, but also realize that the vast majority of crime is that of opportunity. Unless you think you are being targeted by sophisticated people who want more than your cash and tv, worrying about the security of your IoT devices is probably misplaced.
- Kudos 6y agoI agree that most crime is crime of opportunity. I'd categorise automated bots sniffing for open ipcams, or other devices as that too. I consider my privacy is as valuable as my possessions :)
- outsomnia 6y agoYeah... great idea to hang just such a machine with credentials on an SD card in a plastic box outside your front door. I need a video doorbell with my own remote storage. but the camera sensor part and the button needs to be the only thing on the untrusted side of the door.