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Right, but then Thunderbird regularly prompts you to update to 78.x, and I’ve almost clicked ok several times already. I assume there’s probably a setting one c

by qzw 6y ago

Right, but then Thunderbird regularly prompts you to update to 78.x, and I’ve almost clicked ok several times already. I assume there’s probably a setting one can toggle in the config editor to turn off the prompt, but there should really be an option in the UI.

forgotmypw17 6y ago
When this type of stuff starts happening, I take it as a sign that the software has reached "critical mass", is now in a runaway cycle of increasing abuse of its users, and migrate away as quickly as possible. Thunderbird, years ago for me. If a human acts abusive towards me, it is logical to end the relationship, even if it is years old. I am a tolerant person, so once or twice I may accept excuses and justifications, but after that, it's time to distance myself. I don't see why it should be any different from software. If I feel like I am dependent on it and "can't" move away, all the more reason to prioritize finding alternatives. It is irrelevant whether the causes are incompetence, malice, or "accidental", the result is all the same, and I cannot allow it.
- selestify 6y ago
  Sounds like a pretty reasonable personal choice to me, I don’t know why you’re being downvoted without any explanatory comments.
- arsome 6y ago
  There is still, somehow, nothing I've found that's better than Thunderbird for an open source desktop GUI email client. Little choice but to allow it for many users like myself. Worse still - even many of the proprietary ones now rely on 3rd party servers for "cloud" features, or are bloated and ugly electron apps.
  - lmm 6y ago
    KMail is pretty great IME.
- pizza234 6y ago
  There's not much in the email clients landscape; almost nothing in Linux, actually. I suppose that this is because nowadays almost all the users read email from web clients. For me TB just works (especially because I'm locked at the ESR version, 68), however, I've never been extremly happy of it.
  - forgotmypw17 6y ago
    "I know I shouldn't stay with them, but they are a good person, and even if they beat me, I just don't know if there are any better options out there." No offense intended, that's what your comment sounds like. If you start looking, I bet you will find some options.
    - theamk 6y ago
      I did start looking, and I didn’t find anything’ better. It seems most of the people who cared about local mail clients moved to either: - online services, which are way worse Re: auto-updates, they do not even ask. - mail clients with limited HTML support, which are not usable with many online stores I want to use. Which mail client are you using?
    - pizza234 6y ago
      There is a variety of desktop mail clients, but the vast majority (of cross platform _and_ open source) is small-ish unkown-ish programs. The plugin system is in my opionion important (like for browsers) functionality, so popularity of a client is a significant factor, in order to have plugins available. Evolution is possibly the only valid competitor, however, it's not cross-platform as Thunderbird.

by qzw 6y ago

forgotmypw17 6y ago

When this type of stuff starts happening, I take it as a sign that the software has reached "critical mass", is now in a runaway cycle of increasing abuse of its users, and migrate away as quickly as possible. Thunderbird, years ago for me. If a human acts abusive towards me, it is logical to end the relationship, even if it is years old. I am a tolerant person, so once or twice I may accept excuses and justifications, but after that, it's time to distance myself. I don't see why it should be any different from software. If I feel like I am dependent on it and "can't" move away, all the more reason to prioritize finding alternatives. It is irrelevant whether the causes are incompetence, malice, or "accidental", the result is all the same, and I cannot allow it.

selestify 6y ago
Sounds like a pretty reasonable personal choice to me, I don’t know why you’re being downvoted without any explanatory comments.
arsome 6y ago
There is still, somehow, nothing I've found that's better than Thunderbird for an open source desktop GUI email client. Little choice but to allow it for many users like myself. Worse still - even many of the proprietary ones now rely on 3rd party servers for "cloud" features, or are bloated and ugly electron apps.
- lmm 6y ago
  KMail is pretty great IME.
pizza234 6y ago
There's not much in the email clients landscape; almost nothing in Linux, actually. I suppose that this is because nowadays almost all the users read email from web clients. For me TB just works (especially because I'm locked at the ESR version, 68), however, I've never been extremly happy of it.
- forgotmypw17 6y ago
  "I know I shouldn't stay with them, but they are a good person, and even if they beat me, I just don't know if there are any better options out there." No offense intended, that's what your comment sounds like. If you start looking, I bet you will find some options.
  - theamk 6y ago
    I did start looking, and I didn’t find anything’ better. It seems most of the people who cared about local mail clients moved to either: - online services, which are way worse Re: auto-updates, they do not even ask. - mail clients with limited HTML support, which are not usable with many online stores I want to use. Which mail client are you using?
  - pizza234 6y ago
    There is a variety of desktop mail clients, but the vast majority (of cross platform _and_ open source) is small-ish unkown-ish programs. The plugin system is in my opionion important (like for browsers) functionality, so popularity of a client is a significant factor, in order to have plugins available. Evolution is possibly the only valid competitor, however, it's not cross-platform as Thunderbird.